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Dr Russell Razzaque is a consultant psychiatrist and associate medical director at the North-East London NHS Trust and has been practising mindfulness for many years. In this interview, Daizan Roshi asks him about his journey through mindfulness, and how he is literally "changing the world" through his recently published book entitled "Breaking Down Is Waking Up" examining whether psychological suffering can also be thought of as a form of spiritual awakening. This is a short, edited version of the interview. The full length version is available exclusively to Zenways members. Over many years of strict training, in Japan and the west, Julian Daizan Skinner Roshi received Dharma Transmission and permission to teach in both the Rinzai and Soto lineages of Zen. He now teaches at the Yugagyo Dojo in London, UK. For more information see http://www.zenways.org