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Andrew Schwartz, EcoCiv’s Co-Founder and Executive Vice President, interviews David Stroh and Dr. Marilyn Paul. David is Founder & Principal of Bridgeway Partners. David is author of the best-selling book Systems Thinking for Social Change: A Practical Guide to Solving Complex Problems, Avoiding Unintended Consequences, and Achieving Lasting Results. Rightfully so, David is described as an Elegant Distiller of Complex Problems and “Magician” in Applied Systems Thinking, possessing “the mind of a scientist and the heart of a healer.” Marilyn is Co-founder & Principal of Bridgeway Partners. She earned her Ph.D. from the Yale School of Organization and Management and an M.B.A. from Cornell. Drawing from her extensive research in organizational science, time management and energy management to help teams slow down their work pace long enough to discover new working systems that lead to real and lasting change, she serves as an Idea Engine, Energy Leverager, and Growth Catalyzer. She is the author of two books, An Oasis in Time and It’s Hard to Make a Difference When You Can’t Find Your Keys, with a third book on the way tentatively titled “It’s Hard to Save the Planet When You Don’t Know What to Do.” You can also listen to the EcoCiv podcast on: EcoCiv website: https://ecociv.org/the-ecociv-podcast/ Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/2M8pqI9... PlayerFM: https://player.fm/series/the-ecociv-p... Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast... The Institute for Ecological Civilization promotes civilizational change for the long-term wellbeing of people and the planet. You can also follow EcoCiv on Facebook: / ecociv Instagram: / ecociv_ Twitter: / ecociv_ Or visit: https://ecociv.org/