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Legal design sits in a fascinating (and sometimes uncomfortable) space between law and design, theory and practice, and academia and real-world work. In this episode of Legal Design Thinking IRL, Hannele Korhonen and Nina Toivonen go behind the scenes of legal design research and publishing — not to present a paper, but to talk honestly about what it takes to write legal design as “scientific” knowledge. We recently co-authored a research paper on contract design, exploring the contract design process as a learning path for proactive and sustainable contracting. But the real story is what happened while writing it: navigating academic expectations, reviewer feedback, disciplinary “rules,” and the tension of bringing lived practitioner experience into formats that often expect objectivity and an invisible author. In this conversation, we explore: What counts as “knowledge” in legal design — and who gets to define it Legal research traditions, objectivity, and the missing practice of situatedness (positioning the author) Why legal design writing can feel both lighter and riskier than traditional legal scholarship *The challenge of publishing practice-based insights (and why “autoethnography anxiety” is real) The gap between academic and practitioner conversations — and what gets lost when practice becomes invisible Why case studies matter for legal design, contract design, and legal innovation The value (and limits) of simplified frameworks like the Double Diamond *How experiential learning (Kolb) connects with design process thinking in contract design work Practical advice for legal designers who want to write about their work: document, write, share, and start small If you work with legal design, contract design, proactive law, legal innovation, legal operations, or interdisciplinary research — and you’ve ever wondered “do I belong here?” — this conversation is for you. 📄 Read the research paper: https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1.... 🌍 Lawyers Design School: https://lawyersdesignschool.com