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(Conversation recorded on March 7th, 2024) Show Summary: On this episode, Nate is joined by systems scientist Riane Eisler to discuss her decades of work studying ‘domination’ and ‘partnership’ societies throughout history and what it might mean to transition to more sustainable societies in the future. What we value at the individual and family level directly translates to the way we frame our governance systems - societies that emphasize empathy and caring also implement the same types of policies and values. How could we foster the more cooperative side of our humanity across all scales to create empowered communities and balanced decision making? What societies - past and present - lean towards a partnership paradigm and what benefits do their people receive? Is it possible to move away from violence and control oriented systems and into ones that value wide boundaries of empathy and understand the vital nature of care work? About Riane Eisler: Riane Eisler is the President of the Center for Partnership Systems, which provides practical applications of her work, and Editor in Chief of the online Interdisciplinary Journal of Partnership Studies published at the University of Minnesota. Eisler’s innovative whole-systems research offers new perspectives and practical tools for constructing a less violent, more egalitarian, gender-balanced, and sustainable future. She is author of many books, including The Chalice and the Blade, now in its 57th US printing and 27 foreign editions, The Real Wealth of Nations, and Nurturing Our Humanity co-authored with Douglas P. Fry. For more information, see www.rianeeisler.com and www.centerforpartnership.org. For Show Notes and More: https://www.thegreatsimplification.co... 00:00 - Intro 2:23 - Riane's Background 6:16 - Domination vs Partnership 12:38 - The Four Pillars of Riane's Work 14:58 - The Chalice and the Blade 17:27 - Nature vs Nurture 19:47 - Examples of Partnership Societies 23:41 - Putting the US on the Scale 25:52 - Mapping to Biology 31:59 - Nordic Nations 40:36 - Checklist for a Partnership System 45:36 - Fundamentals of a Caring Economy 48:44 - How Could We Shift? 52:09 - Hallmarks of a Mature Society 57:44 - Short Term Tactics and Long Term Strategy 1:00:59 - Including Nature 1:03:26 - Personal Advice 1:04:46 - What Would You Do With a Magic Wand? 1:07:02 - Closing Thoughts