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Jonathan Haidt discusses his book 'The Anxious Generation' and the impact of technology on mental health. He explores the great rewiring of childhood caused by the introduction of smartphones and social media, and how this has led to an epidemic of mental illness among teens. Haidt argues against monocausal explanations and highlights the role of safetyism and the hyper-safetyism culture in exacerbating the effects of technology. He also discusses the loss of humor and the rise of ideology in recent years, and the impact of technology on attention spans. Haidt proposes four norms to change childhood and mitigate the negative effects of technology. The conversation covers the need for parental permission on the internet, the metaphor of gardeners vs. carpenters in parenting, the difference between the English Garden and the French Enlightenment, the return of social science and the understanding of human nature, the rise of illiberalism and the need for liberal voices, and the class divide in parenting and the reversibility of problems.