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In this podcast Paolo Vincenzo Leone talks to Kristen Ratan, co-founder of the Coko Foundation 0:00 Paolo welcomes Kristen Ratan, co-founder of the Coko Foundation. 2:45 'There are good reasons to hold things back. And I think what we've done is we've created bad reasons to do the same. And then we get confused about what's the right reason to share something.' 5:28 A publication is an antiquated snapshot in time. Reinventing it is not only about the infrastructure. 10:45 'We can't afford as a society to wait for people to pass pieces of bits of crumpled paper around anymore.' 14:22 'We have to form a real movement, we actually have to organize ourselves, we have to give up some of the rough edges in between our work and collaborate much more effectively and seamlessly.'