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Jordan Hall has spent decades correctly predicting the civilizational unraveling we're now experiencing. He co-founded DivX, served on elite boards like the Santa Fe Institute, co-founded Game B—but when his pursuit of truth led him to Christ two years ago, he followed it, even knowing it would change his standing in the secular elite circles he'd helped shape. In this wide-ranging, 3.5-hour dialogue recorded on September 17th—just days after Charlie Kirk’s assassination shocked many into recognizing the reality of spiritual warfare—we explore why Jordan believes truth is ultimately relational (“who” not just “what”), how six different kinds of truth converge in Christ, why “rectification of names” is crucial at the end of a civilizational cycle, and how spiritual and religious truths can heal individuals and communities into wholeness. We also discuss: Good-faith dialogue as a forgotten but fertile form of prayer that invites the Holy Spirit—the “Spirit of Truth”—into conversations. How technology and institutions can either serve as instruments pointing upward (icons) or devolve into idols and profane what’s sacred. The rise of ethno-paganism, transhumanism, and other competing grand narratives Jordan sees shaping the next era This conversation gave me a LOT to think on regarding what's coming next. I captured some of these key insights in "The Narratives Fighting For The Soul of Humanity" on Substack: https://substack.garysheng.com/p/narr...