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What happens when God’s call on your life doesn’t just affect you, but the person you love most? In this episode, Jason Min, lead pastor of Citizens Church in Los Angeles, shares a deeply honest and moving conversation about what it means to pursue God’s calling as a couple, not just as individuals. From leaving behind an Ivy League–shaped future to stepping into music, entrepreneurship, and ultimately church planting, Jason’s life has been marked by bold risk. But he reveals that the greatest weight of those decisions was never financial or professional—it was relational. How do you follow God without dragging your spouse behind you? How do you know when a calling is truly shared? What happens when one person feels ready…and the other doesn’t? Jason and his wife, Carol, discovered that the purpose of marriage isn’t to shape one another into our own image, but to help each other become who God created us to be. He describes marriage not as hierarchy, but as two warriors standing side by side, listening for God together, and refusing to move forward unless both hearts are aligned. Through Scripture, prayer, and hard conversations, they learned that true unity isn’t the absence of tension—it’s the courage to bring fears into the light and seek God together. If you’re navigating big decisions with a partner—whether about career, ministry, relocation, or family—this episode offers rare wisdom, honesty, and hope. 00:00 - Introduction 03:20 - What's the biggest risk you've taken? 08:15 - What pushed you to take all these risks? 11:57 - How do you live authentically rather than pleasing others? 14:28 - How did you count the cost before becoming a pastor? 20:11 - How do you navigate risk as a couple? 22:11 - Allegory of the long spoons 25:29 - What if your calling clashes with your spouse? 30:45 - Any Scripture that helped you and your wife through big decisions? 33:54 - What have you learned about risk and faith? 35:50 - Take a risk for God because... --------- Many people in the world have lost or buried their dreams. Kitedreams' mission is to change that. We hope this space re-inspires you to dream bravely and live boldly. Stay in touch with us: Web: www.kitedreams.org Wai Jia's Blog: http://blog.kitedreams.org/ Wai Jia's Instagram: / drwaijiatam Wai Jia's Facebook: / waijia Email: hello@kitedreams.org #Kitedreams #TamWaiJia