2021-02-10 Kevin and Michael discuss ajāta, why ego has arisen and how to see that it never arose скачать в хорошем качестве

2021-02-10 Kevin and Michael discuss ajāta, why ego has arisen and how to see that it never arose

In a Zoom meeting on 10th February 2021 Michael James answers several questions asked by Kevin, beginning with the following ones: ‘Ramana has said the troubles and suffering in life are there because they lead us to God ... in the dream relative world. Ajata says there is no you or I or God. Ramana said ajata is his true teaching. why is there a God in the relative dream world and none in Ajata? The ego exists only in the dream world. The ego is a trouble maker. Why even have an ego or dream world? If the purpose of suffering and ego is to lead us to God in the dream and to realize our true Self only to understand in the final teaching of ajata that nothing exists, including you, me, Ramana or God, what is the point of the dream ... or the point of anything? One could ask within the dream why does God, who we are, need to know Itself?’ While answering these questions Michael refers to Māṇḍukya Kārikā 2.32: https://happinessofbeing.blogspot.com... न निरोधो न चोत्पत्तिर्न बद्धो न च साधकः । न मुमुक्षुर्न वै मुक्त इत्येषा परमार्थता ॥ ३२ ॥ na nirōdhō na cōtpattirna baddhō na ca sādhakaḥ | na mumukṣurna vai mukta ityēṣā paramārthatā || 32 || पदच्छेद: न निरोधः, न च उत्पत्तिः; न बद्धः, न च साधकः; न मुमुक्षुः, न वै मुक्तः — इति एषा परमार्थता. Padacchēda (word-separation): na nirōdhaḥ, na ca utpattiḥ; na baddhaḥ, na ca sādhakaḥ; na mumukṣuḥ, na vai muktaḥ — iti ēṣā paramārthatā. English translation: There is no destruction, and no utpatti [birth, origination, arising, occurrence, appearance or coming into being], no one bound, and no one who does sādhana, no one seeking liberation, and even no one liberated. This is paramārthatā [the ultimate truth]. Bhagavan has translated this verse into Tamil as Upadēśa Taṉippākkaḷ verse 24: https://happinessofbeing.blogspot.com... ஆதலழி வார்ப்பவிழ வாசைமுயல் வார்ந்தாரில் ஈதுபர மார்த்தமென் றெண். ādalaṙi vārppaviṙa vāśaimuyal vārndāril īdupara mārttameṉ ḏṟeṇ. பதச்சேதம்: ஆதல், அழிவு, ஆர்ப்பு, அவிழ ஆசை, முயல்வு, ஆர்ந்தார் இல்; ஈது பரமார்த்தம் என்று எண். Padacchēdam (word-separation): ādal, aṙivu, ārppu, aviṙa āśai, muyalvu, ārndār il. īdu paramārttam eṉḏṟu eṇ. English translation: There is no becoming, destruction, bondage, desire to untie, effort, those who have attained. Know that this is the ultimate truth. Explanatory paraphrase: There is no becoming [or coming into existence], destruction, bondage, desire to untie [bondage], effort [made for liberation], [or] those who have attained [liberation]. Know that this is paramārtha [the ultimate truth]. Michael also referred to the seventh paragraph of Nāṉ Ār?: https://www.happinessofbeing.com/nan_... யதார்த்தமா யுள்ளது ஆத்மசொரூப மொன்றே. ஜக ஜீவ ஈச்வரர்கள், சிப்பியில் வெள்ளிபோல் அதிற் கற்பனைகள். இவை மூன்றும் ஏககாலத்தில் தோன்றி ஏககாலத்தில் மறைகின்றன. சொரூபமே ஜகம்; சொரூபமே நான்; சொரூபமே ஈச்வரன்; எல்லாம் சிவ சொரூபமாம். yathārtham-āy uḷḷadu ātma-sorūpam oṉḏṟē. jaga-jīva-īśvarargaḷ, śippiyil veḷḷi pōl adil kaṟpaṉaigaḷ. ivai mūṉḏṟum ēka-kālattil tōṉḏṟi ēka-kālattil maṟaigiṉḏṟaṉa. sorūpam-ē jagam; sorūpam-ē nāṉ; sorūpam-ē īśvaraṉ; ellām śiva sorūpam ām. What actually exists is only ātma-svarūpa [the ‘own form’ or real nature of oneself]. The world, soul and God are kalpanaigaḷ [fabrications, imaginations, mental creations, illusions or illusory superimpositions] in it, like the [illusory] silver in a shell. These three appear simultaneously and disappear simultaneously. Svarūpa [one’s own form or real nature] alone is the world; svarūpa alone is ‘I’ [ego or soul]; svarūpa alone is God; everything is śiva-svarūpa [the ‘own form’ or real nature of śiva, the one infinite whole, which is oneself]. An MP3 audio copy of this video can be downloaded from https://mediafire.com/?l477e6tx8ouqnws