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Is organizational design only worth doing if it improves ROI? Most conversations about org design, workplace transformation, and change management get squeezed through the same narrow filter: prove the financial return, justify the investment, make the numbers work. But if work is something most people can’t opt out of, and where we spend the majority of our waking lives...then “it pays off” feels like a painfully low bar. In this episode of At Work With The Ready, Rodney Evans and Sam Spurlin explore the ethical case for organizational design. They move beyond spreadsheets and profit metrics to ask bigger questions about leadership, power, transparency, compensation, and the human impact of broken systems. What do organizations owe the people who work inside them? Is better workplace design a moral responsibility — not just a financial strategy? -------------------- Ready to change your organization? Let's talk! https://hubs.la/Q03McTwc0 Get our Newsletter: https://hubs.la/Q03McTw50 Follow Us: –LinkedIn: / the-ready –Instagram: / atworkwiththeready --------------------- Mentioned References: —r/antiwork: / antiwork —Mihaly Csikzentmihalyi and Flow: https://bookshop.org/p/books/flow-the... —Target CEO comp package (note: New CEO’s comp package is roughly $16m, vs over $70m for the prior CEO in 2020): https://www.panabee.com/news/target-s... —triple bottom line: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triple_... —John Rawls and A Theory of Justice: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Theor... 00:00 Check-In: What’s your energy like right now? 04:20 Divorcing doing what’s “good work” from ROI 08:55 A “good” experience is the exception rather than the rule 10:46 Protecting yourself isn’t “selling out” 16:49 Spending our attention on worthy things 23:26 Leadership vs. worker power disparity is broken 29:39 Ethically designed companies never are publicly traded 33:24 Principles and values of ethical orgs 44:18 Joy at work shouldn’t be nickled and dimed 48:33 Idea 1: Don’t accept performative change initiatives 51:22 Idea 2: Audit your existing principles and values 52:41 Idea 3: Don’t let leadership gaslight you into conforming 54:46 Wrap up: Leave us a review and share the show with a friend --------------------- Season 9 - Episode 6 This episode originally aired on February 24th, 2026. Sound engineering and design by Taylor Marvin of Coupe Studios: https://coupestudios.com