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Jan Józef Lipski - Being introduced to Jacek Kuroń (84/215)

To listen to more of Jan Józef Lipski’s stories, go to the playlist:    • Jan Józef Lipski (Social activist)   Jan Józef Lipski (1926-1991) was a writer, literary critic, and one of Poland's best known political activists. He fought in the Warsaw Uprising, co-founded the Workers' Defence Committee (KOR), and, from 1987, re-established and led the Polish Socialist Party. [Listener: Jacek Petrycki, Marcel Łoziński; date recorded: 1989] TRANSCRIPT: I can't tell you what kind of reaction there was throughout the country to the Letter of the 34, I don't even really know what happened among the workers of the Warsaw area. At that time, I didn't have those kinds of contacts. The intelligentsia, with the exception of the party members, was positive about it and very supportive and so on, but there were other voices that were saying, ‘Is it right to wash your dirty laundry in public?’ This referred to the fact that news of the letter had reached foreign broadcasters. To which Mr Antoni Słonimski replied immediately when somebody said this to him, ‘In your opinion, dirty laundry should stay dirty, no doubt’. However, after the Letter of the 34, the next significant and serious event was the open letter from Kuroń and Modzelewski, two party activists at Warsaw University who for some time now had been viewed with suspicion. They had organised and were leading a debating society under the aegis of ZMS [Związek Młodzieży Socjalistycznej (Union of Socialist Youth)], and this aroused the disapproval of the authorities. The atmosphere there was really very relaxed. At some point – I recall this very well, I already knew Modzelewski but not Kuroń – Modzelewski was walking past the university library with someone I didn't know. Modzelewski waved at me to stop and said, ‘We're just coming back from the local party committee where we handed in an open letter to the party’. Then he said, ‘Oh, you don't know one another, Kuroń – Lipski’. I asked what was in the letter and Modzelewski told me in a few sentences more or less what the letter contained. To which I said, this is what I answered them, ‘Oh, well, you've got a bit of time left, go and clear out your flat because they'll be coming for you tomorrow morning’. They were a bit surprised that I was so certain about this but then, I'd had my own experiences associated with the Letter of the 34. And that's exactly what happened except that it was worse than it had been for me. I mean, they ended up having a political trial, sentences, right now I can't remember what they were exactly, but three years, three-and-a-half years, something along those lines. They spent a long time inside, perhaps not the whole sentence, but either way, they weren't released until the end of '67. To be honest, I was quite sceptical about it and even during that hour-and-a-half that I was able to talk with them, even then I was saying I liked the idea of new structures built on workers' councils or something, I liked that a lot, but if you imagine that this can replace parliamentarianism then I'm amazed. But at that point, they were fascinated by their own concept and so shortly afterwards, they were locked up. I tried to attend their trial and for a while I managed to get in because identities weren't being properly checked of the people who were more forceful at pushing in, while Gajka Kuroń said I was her brother so somehow, I managed to get in.

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