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Jesus Scholar E.P. Sanders | Revelation vs Flesh and Blood

The Sayings of Jesus | The Heavenly Risen Lord vs The Historical Jesus Jesus Scholar E.P. Sanders Jesus Scholar E.P. Sanders | Challenge of Authentic Jesus Sayings #bible #jesuschrist #jesus #christ Revelation vs Flesh and Blood The Challenge of Authentic Jesus Sayings The following is an excerpt from the Jesus Scholar E.P. Sanders from his classic work "The Historical Figure of Jesus": The Problems of Primary Sources for the Gospel Material: The Christian material was kept alive and fresh, even though it was used over and over again, by being applied to living issues -- not all of which were the issues of Galilee between 25 and 30 CE. Moreover, the early Christians also created new material; they made things up. Christians believed that Jesus had ascended into heaven and that they could address him in prayer. Sometimes he answered. These answers they attributed to "the Lord". We now want to know which Lord: Jesus before he was crucified or the risen Lord, resident in heaven? The Christians thought it was all the same Lord. In the letters of Paul there is one clear instance of hearing the Lord answer prayer, though this must in fact have happened numerous times. Paul suffered from a thorn in the flesh, some undefined ailment. Three times in prayer he asked the Lord to remove it. "The Lord said to me," Paul wrote, "My grace is sufficent for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness." Here is a direct quotation of the heavenly Lord. We have Paul's Letter, and so we can tell that he heard this in prayer. But some other Christian, or even Paul himself, might have repeated the saying without specifying that it came from the heavenly Lord. The consequence might have been that my power is made perfect in weakness ended up in a gospel, attributed to the historical Jesus. In this case that did not happen, but it could have happened, and we must assume that sometimes such things did happen. A revealed word from the risen Lord could end up as a later saying attributed the historical Jesus. (Note: see Matthew quoting Jesus saying flesh and blood did not reveal this vs Paul saying flesh and blood did not reveal this) Some of the early Christians thought that the heavenly Lord communicated quite freely with them. I cite Paul again whose letters are the earliest surviving literature: he claimed to "impart in words things that were not taught by human wisdom but taught by the Spirit. As he wrote "The Lord is the Spirit." The Spirit that freely communicated with Paul and other Christians could be thought of as the Spirit of the risen Lord, who was in some way or other was continuous with the historical Jesus for the believer. The major changes in the gospel material were those involved in altering context. But we must also accept that some material was created: that is, that Christians heard it in a prayer. Note: A revelation. Scholars have developed various devices to try to determine which sayings and actions are authentic, that is, to distinguish newly created material from material that actually goes back to the lifetime of Jesus.