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Leading With Inclusion Without The Label

What does it mean to lead with inclusion when the word itself is under attack? As the language around diversity, equity, and inclusion becomes more restricted, many leaders are being asked to reframe, reword, or stay quiet. The language may be shifting, but the core values have not gone anywhere. In this episode of Lime, Listen & Learn: The People Leadership Lounge, host Abbiola Ballah is in conversation with Minette Norman about the pressure to change how we talk about inclusion and what it means to keep leading with it even when the name changes. This isn’t a panel. We’re not here for perfect soundbites. This is a _lime_, a Trinidadian term that means to hang out, connect, and vibe. Abbiola and Minette reflect on what happens when language evolves but the work remains. They talk candidly about external pressure, internal doubt, and the tension leaders feel when asked to distance themselves from values they still hold. The conversation invites leaders to stay curious, grounded, and clear about what they are actually fighting for, even when the terminology becomes contested. Grab your snacks and a drink.  Come lime with us!. * THIS CONVERSATION TOUCHES ON:* Leading with inclusion when the language is under scrutiny Navigating pressure to reframe, reword, or stay quiet Staying rooted in values when terminology shifts Questioning myths like neutrality and meritocracy Making small, intentional choices that create ripple effects * ABOUT OUR GUEST* Minette Norman (she/her) is an award-winning author, speaker, leadership consultant, and former Silicon Valley software executive who spent decades leading global teams. Minette knows that when leaders create inclusive team cultures, performance soars, breakthroughs emerge, and innovation accelerates. As the author of The Boldly Inclusive Leader and the co-author of The Psychological Safety Playbook, Minette is committed to helping leaders unlock the full potential of the people in their organizations. Learn more about Minette’s work here: https://www.minettenorman.com/|   / minettenorman   * ABOUT OUR HOST* Abbiola Ballah (she/her) is a people leadership consultant, coach, and facilitator who supports directors & managers navigating the human side of leadership. She is the Founder of Phern Education Studios and the creator of the https://www.pherneducationstudios.com..., a signature leadership program designed to help people leaders approach hard conversations with care, discernment, and intention. With over 20 years of experience in leadership development, program design, and organizational learning, Abbiola partners with organizations across the health, education, philanthropy, and nonprofit sectors to design and facilitate people-centered leadership experiences that improve communication, support managers & directors through team dynamics, and rebuild trust. Originally from Trinidad and Tobago, she brings a global perspective shaped by long-term, cross-cultural work with leaders and organizations. Learn more about Abbiola's work here: https://www.pherneducationstudios.com/ |   / abbiola-ballah   |   / pherneducationstudios