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====Media Links==== website: delvepsych.com instagram: @delvepsychchicago youtube: / @delvepsych20 substack: https://delvepsych.substack.com/ ====Participants==== Ali McGarel Adam W. Fominaya ====Overview of Big Ideas==== "Intern" can mean anything from brand-new to someone with hundreds of clinical hours who just has not graduated or licensed yet. Intern therapy is closer to an apprenticeship model: active learning, close oversight, and structured growth. Good training hinges on supervision. At minimum, interns should receive weekly, licensed supervision; many also receive school-based group supervision. Delve describes an intentionally high-support model: multiple supervision layers plus didactics and live-learning opportunities. The main downside is pacing: newer interns may need more time to think, consult, and return with answers. The upside is intensity of care and follow-through. Cost can be a major advantage: intern slots often come with sliding scale, and sometimes pro bono options. Fresh minds matter: early-career clinicians may bring novel perspectives and intellectual risk-taking that more seasoned therapists can lose. The hosts critique broken incentives in training: quality supervision is time-expensive, often financially unrewarded, and can be mishandled in lower-support sites. They also discuss a recently passed Illinois insurance change they worked on, aiming to reduce barriers to reimbursing student-provided care under certain state-regulated plans. ====Breakdown of Segments==== Why "intern therapist" is a confusing label: hours of experience vary wildly, and licensing status can mislead clients. How supervision actually works: individual supervision, school group supervision, and (at Delve) additional layers of consultation and teaching. The economics and ethics of training: why some sites under-supervise, and why that is a clinical and moral problem. Why Delve trains anyway: a values-driven "passion project" model, even when it is not profitable. What it feels like to start at zero: fear, learning-by-doing, and why patience early in the year can pay off. The intern advantage: high motivation, smaller caseloads, deeper week-to-week reflection, and willingness to say "let me think and bring this back." Avoiding burnout and staying present: the focus demands of therapy, and practical tricks for maintaining attention. Closing encouragement: do not discount younger clinicians; once confidence and humility balance, they can "start cooking." Coda quote: "Avoidance of an inevitability is futile" as a nudge toward action over delay. ====AI Recommended References (APA)==== American Psychological Association. (2015). Guidelines for clinical supervision in health service psychology. American Psychologist, 70(1), 33-46. Bernard, J. M., & Goodyear, R. K. (2018). Fundamentals of clinical supervision (6th ed.). Pearson. Borders, L. D., & Brown, L. L. (2005). The new handbook of counseling supervision. Lawrence Erlbaum Associates. Falender, C. A., & Shafranske, E. P. (2004). Clinical supervision: A competency-based approach. American Psychological Association. Milne, D. (2009). Evidence-based clinical supervision: Principles and practice. BPS Blackwell.