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Ryan Rodenbaugh has spent his entire career in crypto, from early RWA experiments at TrustToken to building TrueFi's on-chain credit protocol. Now as CEO of vaults.fyi, he's tackling the infrastructure problem every fintech hits after launching stablecoins: how do you actually offer yield without building integrations to 75+ protocols yourself? In this episode, we explore what it takes to maintain production-grade DeFi data infrastructure, why even sophisticated teams choose not to build it in-house, and how the next wave of crypto adoption will come from distribution platforms embedding yield rather than converting new native DeFi users. Topics covered: • Why on-chain maximalism matters — deriving APYs from hourly share price data instead of protocol-reported estimates • The operational reality of indexing 1,000+ yield opportunities across 18 chains with minimal off-chain dependencies • How reputation scoring based on TVL longevity (Lindy-ness) separates established protocols from new experiments • What it actually takes to build transaction execution infrastructure that stays non-custodial across dozens of different protocol interfaces • The 6-12 month enterprise sales cycle for fintechs and why most have crypto teams but move slowly on compliance • Why 95% of new protocol integrations are customer-driven, not internal roadmap decisions • Building for the future: AI agents, account abstraction batch transactions, and cross-chain deposit infrastructure *Guest:* Ryan Rodenbaugh — CEO & Co-founder, vaults.fyi (@ryanrodenbaugh, @vaultsfyi) *Host:* Dennis Verstappen (@ape_rture) 🔗 Guest + Links Guest X: https://x.com/ryanrodenbaugh Company X: https://x.com/vaultsfyi Company Website: https://app.vaults.fyi/ 🧱 Hosted by The Indexing Company Dennis: https://x.com/ape_rture Website: https://indexing.co Docs: https://docs.indexing.co X: https://x.com/indexingco