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In this episode, Sasha and Stella welcome lawyer, Josh Payne, co-founder of Campbell Miller Payne, a law firm dedicated to representing individuals who were misled and abused – many as children – into psychological and physical harm through a false promise of “gender-affirming care.” Campbell Miller Payne is committed to its mission to speak up for these victims, assert their rights, and pursue justice. This is a conversation about various legal challenges faced by detransitioners, such as issues with informed consent, systemic healthcare problems, and the experimental nature of many treatments. The discussion emphasizes the vulnerability of clients, the lack of comprehensive care addressing underlying mental health issues, and the need for cautious medical practices, underscoring the importance of seeking justice for those affected and advocating for more responsible treatment alternatives to gender-affirming care. For links and resources relevant to this episode, access the full show notes at https://www.widerlenspod.com/p/episod... Visit https://www.cmppllc.com/ to learn more about Josh Payne and the Campbell Miller Payne firm. Buy Our Book – When Kids Say They’re Trans: A Guide for Thoughtful Parents at https://whenkidssaytheyretrans.com/ Join Our Listener Community to Access Exclusive Content at https://www.widerlenspod.com/ Support the Show at https://www.widerlenspod.com/p/suppor... Join this channel to get access to additional bonus content: / @widerlenspod For more information about Sasha’s & Stella’s parent coaching membership groups, visit: Sasha Ayad: https://sashaayad.com/parenting-coach... Stella O’Malley: http://www.stellaomalley.com/parent-c... To learn more about our sponsors, visit: Therapy First at https://www.therapyfirst.org/ Genspect at https://genspect.org/ If you liked this episode, more episodes you might find interesting include: Episode 94 — WPATH’s Bizarre 8th Standards of Care • EPISODE 94 WPATH's Bizarre 8th Standa... Episode 99 — Detransitioned & Damaged by the Dutch Protocol: Teiresias • EPISODE 99 - Detransitioned & Damaged... Episode 112 — Jamie Reed: “Every Ethical Line I Drew Was Walked On… We Are Hurting People” • EPISODE 112: A Conversation with Gend... Episode 118 - Prioritizing Expensive & Invasive Interventions: American Healthcare w/ Zhenya Abbruzzese • EP 118: Prioritizing Expensive & Inva... Episode 131 - Facing Futility: You Can’t Actually Change Sex, with Corinna Cohn • EP 131: Facing Futility: You Can't Ac... Episode 151 - "These Doctors Have Forgotten the Meaning of Medicine" with Dr. Eithan Haim • A Whistleblower Surgeon Speaks Out wi... Episode 160 - A Look at the Overlap Between Autism and Gender Dysphoria, with Christina Buttons • A Look at the Overlap Between Autism ... Episode 161 - The Unlikely Whistleblower with Tamara Pietzke • The Unlikely Whistleblower with Tamar...