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In a world that rewards clarity but punishes certainty, are our education systems still teaching young people to seek fixed answers instead of flexible understanding? If technology is a cultural artifact, not just a tool, how might we design learning experiences that question what our technologies do to us—not just what they can do for us? 🎙️ Episode Summary In this episode of the Learning Future podcast, host Louka Parry engages with futurists Jamais Cascio and Bob Johansen to explore the complexities of navigating the current chaotic landscape, framed by the BANI model. They discuss their personal learning experiences, the implications of technology on human development, and the importance of mentorship across generations. The conversation emphasizes the need for clarity in uncertain times and the role of education in fostering resilience and adaptability in students. 👤 About Jamais Cascio One of Foreign Policy’s Top 100 Global Thinkers, Jamais Cascio explores our environment, technology, and culture to build plausible future scenarios. As Distinguished Fellow at Institute for the Future, he created the BANI framework for understanding global chaos, now in use worldwide. He works, writes, and speaks around the world on issues facing the global future. 👤 About Bob Johansen Bob Johansen is a distinguished fellow with the Institute for the Future in Silicon Valley. For almost 50 years, Bob has helped organizations around the world prepare for and shape the future, including corporations such as P&G, Walmart, United Rentals, and Hill's Pet Science, as well as major universities and nonprofits. A social scientist by training, Bob holds a BS from the University of Illinois, which he attended on a basketball scholarship, and a PhD from Northwestern University. He also has a divinity school degree from Crozer Theological Seminary, with a focus on world religions. 📘 Takeaways Jamais is learning about book publishing and AI language models. Bob is exploring how to frame complex phenomena in language. BANI describes a world that is brittle, anxious, non-linear, and incomprehensible. Navigating chaos requires adaptability and resilience. Words have power; naming phenomena can help us understand them better. In a chaotic world, educators and students can learn together. The future is uncertain, and we must act despite that uncertainty. Technology can both uplift and surveil; we must be cautious. Reverse mentoring can bridge generational gaps in knowledge. Clarity is essential, but certainty can be brittle. 🔗 Connect and Resources Mentioned LinkedIn: Jamais Cascio - / jamaiscascio Futurist.com - https://futurist.com/futurist-think-t... Institute for the Future - https://www.iftf.org/people/jamais-ca... LinkedIn:Bob Johansen - / bob-johansen Institute for the Future - https://www.iftf.org/people/bob-johan... Workpositive Podcast - https://www.workpositive.today/bob-jo... Book: Navigating the Age of Chaos - https://www.amazon.com/Navigating-Age... 🔗 Stay Connected with Louka Parry For the latest learning innovation follow Louka on LinkedIn - / loukaparry Share your thoughts by visiting www.thelearningfuture.com Tune in to be inspired, challenged, and reminded why love truly is at the heart of learning.