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https://photonlegal.com -------------------------------------- In this episode, Amit Koshal speaks with Rishi Varma, Chief Legal Officer at Cargill, on what it really takes to become a great General Counsel. From nonlinear career moves and leadership mistakes to AI-enabled legal teams and the future of billable hours, this is a wide-ranging and deeply practical conversation. “Much of being a General Counsel is getting comfortable with being uncomfortable.” Rishi Varma Watch the full episode for Rishi’s insights on legal leadership, service, family, innovation, and building future-ready legal departments. Subscribe for more such podcasts. -------------------------------------- Meet the panel: The Host: Amit Koshal: / koshalamit The Guest: Rishi Varma: / rishi-varma -------------------------------------- TIMESTAMPS: 00:00:00 Trailer 00:01:44 Intro 00:02:00 What makes a good lawyer become a great General Counsel? 00:04:24 Do you think law school is becoming obsolete? 00:05:57 Law firm vs in-house: how should a young lawyer choose? 00:07:34 How do you raise your hand when you're uncertain? 00:09:19 What career mistakes can younger lawyers learn from? 00:13:09 Are lawyers in the US paying too much for their money? 00:17:17 Toughest challenge in your career — and how did it shape you? 00:20:18 Is pressure a privilege? 00:22:01 What is the biggest piece of advice you’ve ever gotten? 00:24:09 How has your relationship with money changed over time? 00:24:58 How are you thinking differently from your peers? 00:28:02 How big is the legal team currently at Cargill? 00:28:23 How are you improving team efficiency with AI? 00:30:33 Are you building AI tools yourself or buying from vendors? 00:33:41 How does the Chief Legal Officer ensure AI governance? 00:35:01 Will AI make legal teams shrink or expand? 00:37:10 Will younger lawyers have issues finding jobs? 00:39:20 What’s your take on billable hours going away? 00:41:55 Are law firms passing AI efficiency gains to clients? 00:44:02 How do you see the role of General Counsel and Chief Legal changing with AI? 00:45:52 If you restarted your career in 2026, how would you do it? 00:47:58 Do you have any life hacks? 00:51:44 What are the biggest IP issues large companies are facing? 00:53:55 Long-term IP strategy: trade secrets or patents? 00:55:42 Should a large company focus on IP portfolio for innovation value? 00:56:42 What advice would you give your younger self? 00:57:50 What legacy do you want to leave?