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Is there anything more captivating than watching couples work through their deepest, messiest relationship drama on screen? Honestly, probably not, y’all. So today, we’re talking to the brilliant Dr. Orna Guralnik, the psychoanalyst behind the award-winning docuseries “Couples Therapy.” We’re getting into how the show came to be, what it really means to choose love, and, of course, hearing her hot takes on some juicy topics like gender roles, narcissism, and open relationships. Then she responds to some iconic Beyoncé, Taylor Swift, and Celine Dion lyrics about love—think she’s here for them, or nah? Watch More Baby, This Is Keke Palmer episodes: • Baby, This is Keke Palmer Check out Keke's first merch drop by going to kekepalmershop.com Follow Keke on social: / keke / kekepalmer / kekepalmer / kekepalmer Connect with Wondery https://wondery.com/shows/baby-this-i... / wonderymedia / wonderymedia / wonderymedia / wonderymedia Chapters: 0:00 – Intro 0:50 – Keke and Orna: Slipping into Orna’s DMs, watching “Couples’ Therapy” 4:18 – Keke and Orna: How “Couples’ Therapy” came about 8:33 – Keke and Orna: Being in a relationship vs. being alone 15:11 – Keke and Orna: The value of other therapists’ perspectives, narcissism 23:00 – Keke and Orna: Privacy, boundaries, and open relationships 32:00 – Keke and Orna: Esther Perel, broken relationships, gender roles 38:20 – Keke and Orna: Orna responds to lyrics by Beyoncé, Taylor Swift, and Celine Dion 43:04 – Outro About the Show: Keke Palmer has questions for days, about everything under the sun. From the existential to the inconsequential, and everything in between. And now she’s diving into the brains of entertainment’s best and brightest to get some answers. From Snoop Dogg to Jordan Peele to Quinta Brunson, to John Stamos, Keke is getting to the bottom of the burning topics that keep us up at night. This is Keke as her most authentic self, going all in on everything in her life and the lives of her celeb guests, because Baby, this is Keke Palmer, and she is here for All. Of. It. You know it’s your girl! #kekepalmer #podcast #wondery #couplestherapy #ornaguralnik #therapy #narcissism #estherperel #nonmonogamy #beyonce #taylorswift