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In this episode of Doing the Thing podcast, host Scott Boersma welcomes Gail Shepherd, a wilderness leader and soil microbiology researcher, to discuss her journey in outdoor education. Gail shares her experiences facilitating canyoneering courses for teenagers, her background in family outdoor activities, and her educational adventures at Dartmouth and beyond. They delve into the challenges and rewards of outdoor leadership, the importance of getting 'systems down,' and the personal growth that comes from leading wilderness trips. Gail also offers insights into the complexities of the outdoor education industry, including the housing challenges faced by seasonal workers and the emotional labor involved in mentoring young people on outdoor expeditions. Tune in for a deep dive into wilderness skills, leadership, and the unique, sometimes humorous, aspects of life in the backcountry. 00:00 Introduction and Guest Welcome 00:47 Gail's Background and Outdoor Experience 03:13 First Job and Early Career in Outdoor Education 07:21 Challenges and Learning Moments in Outdoor Education 17:53 Reflections on the Outdoor Education Industry 27:05 Future Plans and Personal Adventures 29:18 Closing Remarks and Final Thoughts