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Summary The conversation delves into the call to ministry, exploring the internal and external aspects of the call, the role of the local church in discerning the call, and what constitutes a call to ministry. It also addresses the concept of uninstructed zeal and the specific call to ministry. The conversation delves into the role of zeal and passion in ministry, emphasizing the need for a deeper foundation. It then explores the ordinary calling to ministry, focusing on the character qualifications and the shepherd's heart of a pastor. The steps to discerning a call to ministry are discussed, followed by a reflection on responding to God's call. Takeaways Internal and external calls to the ministry The role of the local church in discerning the call to ministry is not solely based on zeal or passion The character qualifications and love for people are essential for ministry Chapters 00:00 Uninstructed Zeal and the Specific Call 44:16 The Shepherd Heart of a Pastor 57:32 Responding to God's Call #booktok #calltoworship #ministry #pastor #biblecollege #seminarylife #seminary #theologystudy #theologytalk #podcast #blogger #reformedtheology #reformedbaptist #dutchreformed #urcna #books #preaching #shepherd #church #localchurch #training #mindsetmatters #christianity Looking for a reformed Church? Look up URCNA.org or NAPARC, or in Grande Prairie, Alberta, Covenant Reformed Church.