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“Sleep is intrinsic to every aspect of our waking life.” (Dr Guy Leschziner) In this episode of The Evolving Leader, we delve into the biological roots of our most human behaviours with Professor Guy Leschziner, neurologist and author of The Seven Deadly Sins: The Biology of Being Human. From the neuroscience behind gluttony, anger and pride to the unpredictable nature of envy and the myth of free will, Guy offers a powerful reframing of how biology shapes leadership, judgement, and motivation. He also shares essential sleep research and practical guidance that every leader should hear, particularly those running on too little rest and too much pressure. Whether you're leading through complexity or seeking to better understand the hidden forces that shape your thinking and responses, this conversation offers insight into how our brains construct reality and how leaders can respond with greater empathy, adaptability and presence. 00:00 Introduction 04:40 Not so long ago, sleep wasn’t regarded as a problem by most people - and in business the adage of sleep is for babies held a lot of sway. What’s changed, and what are the numbers of people who adversely affected by poor or chronic sleep problems? 05:44 What are the consequences of poor sleep? 08:12 What’s the biography of those people (both personally and professionally) who experience having poor sleep? 11:02 Can you give any advice for individuals who are thinking about their own sleep patterns in terms of what is normal or not normal? 14:22 Is there any way to optimise your sleep while going through life changes? 16:11 Every month, there seems to be new research highlighting the diversity of experiences that we have as humans. Could you help us understand your research into Synaesthesia (brought to life in your book The Man who Tasted Words) with this idea that we have a predicting brain and a feeling body working together to make sense of the world? 20:27 What are they experiencing with these different forms of perception? 22:51 How might you help us adapt to change? 24:29 How do we create a more tolerant environment that sees the benefit of this? 25:31 You explore this idea through the lens of the seven deadly sins reframing them not as moral failings but as a function of human biology. This opens up big philosophical questions for us - particularly when these things elicit judgement from us -surely an obese person must be greedy, or someone who is always right lacks any humility or self-awareness. Which of the seven sins most interests you? 27:22 How does that help the general population understand things differently? 29:46 How do you think about motivation in a post Covid world? 32:54 Is there a way of intentionally focussing that system positively to your gain? 34:20 Let’s talk about anger in the workplace. What are the upsides to anger? 36:34 I found the case study of envy particularly interesting. Can you talk to us about why and what happens when envy becomes a dominant experience. 38:48 What have you learnt about the individual who has complete and utter confidence in themselves, who are unable to see when they’re wrong? 40:49 What percentage of the population are narcissists? 42:16 How do you help people to face reality without falling apart? 43:10 What does the Seven Deadly Sins tell us about humanity and do we need to rethink the values that shape our society? 47:08 Where is your work taking you next? 47:38 When we think about the overall relationship that we have with ourselves as human beings and how that might change with the increase of AI, how might your work and AI converge? 49:27 Can we look at a quick checklist of things that we can all do to sleep better at night? 52:54 Is the increasing education about sleep helping or not? Social: Instagram @evolvingleader LinkedIn The Evolving Leader Podcast Twitter @Evolving_Leader Bluesky @evolvingleader.bsky.social YouTube @evolvingleader Other reading from Jean Gomes and Scott Allender: Leading In A Non-Linear World (J Gomes, 2023) The Enneagram of Emotional Intelligence (S Allender, 2023) The Evolving Leader is researched, written and presented by Jean Gomes and Scott Allender with production by Phil Kerby. It is an Outside production. #Leadership #Neuroscience #GuyLeschziner #EvolvingLeader #SleepScience #CognitiveDiversity #AdaptiveLeadership #SevenDeadlySins #ExecutiveWellbeing #FreeWill #Motivation #Neurobiology #Empathy #DecisionMaking