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I’m with C. Thi Nguyen, who is a philosophy professor at The University of Utah. Interestingly, he used to be a food writer, but now he mostly writes about trust, art, games, and communities. In 2021 he wrote his first book, Games: Agency as Art, which was awarded the American Philosophical Associations Book Prize. Now he's writing another book which should be out soon, and I discuss a lot of things about that book with him here in this podcast. == What we talk about == 00:00 - Introduction 02:15 - Why do we like playing games? 05:35 - What makes certain rules fun, we call them games, but other rules are chores? 13:08 - What do games teach us about ourselves? 20:47 - Game Design: A Scientific Endeavour or an Artistic Expression? 28:35 - Games vs. Game-like Systems: Understanding the Difference and Their Implications 33:43 - Contrasting Game-like Systems with Mass Media 35:30 - Do we recognize the games we are in? 38:30 - C. Thi Nguyen thoughts on why considering GPA exclusively can be harmful 51:49 - Can any Game-like System be executed successfully? 55:38 - C. Thi Nguyen on how studying this subject has impacted his life 57:58 - How do we navigate expertise in a specialized world? 1:11:37 - Concluding Thoughts == Useful links == C. Thi Nguyen's website: https://objectionable.net/ == Social media == C. Thi Nguyen''s twitter: / add_hawk Paras' twitter: / paraschopra == Credits == Sachin Vats for editing: / sachinvats97 Akash Das for assisting: / zindagiwallah