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Jim Burgen and Jesse DeYoung on the Anatomy of Toxic Church Leadership, Church Growth and Identity, and How Leadership Crushes You Flatirons Church Lead Pastor, Jim Burgen, and Executive Pastor, Jesse DeYoung, talk candidly and openly about how a toxic leadership culture developed at Flatirons, how Jim ended up fusing church size and growth with his personal identity, how the weight of leading a large church became crushing, the impact of a forced sabbatical, and how Jim came back to a different, healthier and more humble kind of leadership. Welcome to The Carey Nieuwhof Leadership Podcast, a podcast all about leadership, change, and personal growth. My goal is to help you lead like never before in your church or in your business. Subscribe to my channel so you catch all our episodes. Find the show notes and more at http://careynieuwhof.com/episode515. And, you can follow me on Instagram @careynieuwhof, and @cnieuwhof on Facebook and Twitter. Interested in what gear I use to record my podcast? I list all of the equipment in this blog post: https://careynieuwhof.com/the-home-st... Brought to you by The Art of Leadership Academy. Go to http://theartofleadershipacademy.com/ today and get access to a growing library of premium on-demand courses, monthly live coaching hosted by me, monthly staff training and a community of top-tier leaders. And by He Get Us. The $100M He Gets Us campaign is inspiring millions to think differently about faith and Jesus. Go to hegetsuspartners.com/carey to learn more and see how your church can get involved.