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In this conversation, Jason sits down with Ryan Johnson, pastor of Church Untitled in downtown Vancouver. Ryan shares openly about how the church began after the collapse of another, walking through seasons of anxiety and depression, and learning to cultivate a dependence on God while shepherding people who were hurting. What started with a small group meeting in the corner of a nightclub has grown into a worshipping community in the heart of the city marked by prayer, consecration, and God’s presence. Jason and Ryan explore themes that matter deeply to pastors today, including: Consecration before vision: The formative role of Joshua 3:5, focusing on internal formation and God’s presence ahead of programs and plans. Dependence vs. strategy: Learning to follow the Spirit’s guiding, and how to keep choosing dependence even after growth and momentum arrive. Worship as shepherding: How worship shapes us beyond emotion, trading what we feel for what we know of God, and the importance of extended spaces of prayer and song. Ongoing healing for leaders and churches: Naming self-protection, practicing vulnerability, and letting love perfect what fear distorts in the life of a community. Citywide unity and hunger: Stories of collaborative worship nights, overflowing prayer ministry, and a growing hunger for God across ages and backgrounds. If you’ve walked through church hurt, or are leading people who have, this episode offers an honest, hope-filled account of how God turns ruins into foundations and pain into worship. Timestamps 00:00:44 – Meet Ryan Johnson + family snapshot 00:01:31 – The grit of Church Untitled in downtown Vancouver 00:02:19 – A church collapse, disillusionment, and gathering in a nightclub 00:05:15 – Ryan’s “closet season”: anxiety, depression, and wrestling with calling 00:07:10 – From nameless gatherings to “Church Untitled” 00:09:15 – Pastoral friendship, collaboration, and citywide encouragement 00:10:42 – Becoming a church: consecrate yourselves, for tomorrow God will do wonders 00:13:53 – Following the Ark: presence over planning 00:16:28 – Dependency in leadership: Saul’s armor, brokenness, and surrender 00:21:17 – Worship as formation: lifting the knowledge of God together 00:23:33 – Extended worship nights, prayer ministry, and shepherding a city 00:31:55 – From nightclub to downtown space: milestones and faith leaps 00:38:27 – Healing from church hurt: dealing with wounds and learning love 00:46:30 – Eyes baptized in redemption + hope for the church in Vancouver Show Notes Church Untitled | https://www.churchuntitled.com/ Fall City Meetups | https://www.thepastorate.ca/gatherings Lead Pastors Fellowship | https://www.thepastorate.ca/lpf - Fall 2025 Pastors Retreat at Barnabas Landing | https://www.thepastorate.ca/events/pa... The Pastorate Listener Survey | https://www.thepastorate.ca/survey Thank You to Our Episode Sponsor Special thanks to the Canadian Bible Society for making this episode possible. We invite you to explore their Bible Course to help your church grow in Scripture engagement. | https://biblesociety.ca/thebiblecourse/ 🇨🇦 Connect with The Pastorate 🌎 Website: https://www.thepastorate.ca 📸 Instagram: / thepastorate.ca 🎙️ Podcast: https://www.thepastorate.ca/podcast