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🎙️ Formal Debate Topic: “That faith, baptism, and obedience to the Commandments are necessary to be saved.” Affirmative side: Noah from "Jesus and Whatnot", who is a Roman Catholic. Negative side: Ryan from NeedGod.net, who is Protestant. In this formal debate, Noah takes the position that all three — faith, baptism, and obedience — are essential requirements for salvation. His opponent, Ryan holds to that salvation is by faith alone in Christ’s finished work. ⌚ Debate format: Opening statements - 17 mins each. Rebuttals - 12 mins each. Cross-Examination - 20 mins each. Closing statements - 7 mins each. Audience Questions. Audience questions for the debaters are submitted in the live chat. Those that are superchats have a greater chance of being answered. Specify in the comment who the question is for. Timestamps: 1:55 - Noah's opening statement 15:50 - Ryan's opening statement 33:20 - Noah's rebuttal 40:35 - Ryan's rebuttal 53:25 - Cross examination 1:40:35 - Noah's closing statement 1:47:00 - Ryan's closing statement Questions: 1:55:44 - TO NOAH: Who is referred to as water in the NT? 1:59:30 - TO RYAN: Why do Protestants think getting into heaven is easy when nothing else in life is? 2:02:42 - TO NOAH: If those 3 things were required to be saved, how does that logically lead to the question, "So then, can I keep on sinning that grace may abound?" 2:05:00 - TO RYAN: If salvation = protestant view of justification/past one time event, then why does Paul talk about eternal life being gieven/a reward for thosew ho persevere in doing good? (Romans 2:7) 2:08:00 - TO NOAH: Tertullian taught that baptism saved, but only on faith, rejecting infant baptism. What is the problem with this view? 2:11:17 - TO RYAN: What is the will of the Father? (Matthew 7:21, John 6:40) 2:14:05 - TO NOAH: If Christ's sacrifice was perfecta nd complete, what remains for human works to add that His cross did not already secure? 2:17:05 - TO RYAN: The majority of Christianity believed in baptism for salvation? Would the majority go to hell then? 2:20:00 - TO NOAH: If salvation is a free gift from God, how can it depend on our works or cooperation without ceasing to be a gift? 2:23:25 - TO RYAN: Grace is a gift, but if Sola Fide is the case, it goes against the Bible that was compiled from the Church Fathers? 2:26:30 - TO NOAH: Can a paraplegic from birth with true faith go to heaven despite not beign able to do any works? 2:29:10 - TO RYAN: If our name can be blurred out of the book of life, does that mean we can lose eternal life? 2:23:25 - TO NOAH: If Jesus says in Matthew 3:15 that he has to get baptized to fullfil all righteousness and Titus 3:5 says we're not saved by works of righteousness how could water baptism save? 2:35:00 - TO RYAN: Jesus admitted losing Judas in John 17:12, just as sheep can wander away, can we wander from the gift? Once the gift is received we are forced to keep it? 2:38:10 - TO NOAH: How obedient do I have to be to get to heaven? 2:40:55 - TO RYAN: Under Ryan's view of works it seems all are saved by works. The Lord works through his word, I receive this by reading not resting. Aren't works merit not resting? Noah's channel is: / @jesus.andwhatnot Ryan's website is: https://www.needgod.net ==== YouTube chat Code of Conduct ===== “Walk in wisdom toward outsiders, making the best use of the time. Let your speech always be gracious, seasoned with salt, so that you may know how you ought to answer each person.” – Col 4:5-6 INTERACTION W/ EACH OTHER Be encouraging and edifying in your comments to each other. Joking around is fine – but remember that there is a line. Don’t overly tease people. INTERACTION W/ THE MODS Listen to the mods, as they are trying to ensure that the live chat is beneficial and encouraging for everyone. INTERACTION IN GENERAL Only the mods may call out people for not adhering to the code of conduct. No swearing, blasphemy, or use of unwholesome language – which includes rude or sexual jokes. No disrespectful commenting on people’s appearances. No rude comments. If you want to ask a question for the stream, put a Q: in front of your question. No silly, or irrelevant questions. No self-promotion. Violating the code of conduct could lead to a time out, or permanent ban at the discretion of the mods. #Salvation #Debate #Christian #Catholic #Bible #Christianity #Grace #Gospel #FaithAlone #Baptism