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Dr. Ewelina Kurtys is leading the way in biocomputing at FinalSpark where she is working on the next evolutionary leap for AI and neuron-powered computing. It's a brave new world, just 10 years in the making. We discuss lab-grown human brain organoids connected to electrodes, the possibility to solve AI's massive energy consumption challenge, post-silicon approach to computing, biological vs quantum physics and more. SUBSCRIBE: RSS: https://changelog.fm/rss Apple: https://changelog.fm/apple Spotify: https://changelog.fm/spotify Android: https://changelog.fm/android Overcast: https://changelog.fm/overcast Email: https://changelog.fm/email X: https://x.com/changelog Bluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/changelog.com Mastodon: https://changelog.social/@changelog SPONSORS: Depot - *10x faster builds? Yes please.* Build faster. Waste less time. Accelerate Docker image builds, and GitHub Actions workflows. Easily integrate with your existing CI provider and dev workflows to save hours of build time. https://depot.dev CodeRabbit - *AI-native code reviews, built for the modern dev stack.* — CodeRabbit is your always-on code reviewer—flagging hallucinations, surfacing smells, and enforcing standards, all without leaving your IDE or GitHub PRs. Trusted by top teams to ship better code, faster. Start free at CodeRabbit.ai https://www.coderabbit.ai Fly.io - *The home of Changelog.com* — Deploy your apps close to your users — global Anycast load-balancing, zero-configuration private networking, hardware isolation, and instant WireGuard VPN connections. Push-button deployments that scale to thousands of instances. Check out the speedrun to get started in minutes. https://fly.io/ LINKS: https://finalspark.com CHAPTERS: 00:00 Start the show! 01:47 Energy efficiency computing on neurons 06:26 Neurons as logic gates 08:24 Growing stem cells into brains 09:54 How did you get here? 17:27 How long have you been working on this problem? 22:42 How does reading/writing data work? 24:09 Is the process slow or fast? 29:18 The role of dopamine and serotonin 30:20 10 years until useful. Why so hard? 32:14 Have tried to "ultrathink"? 37:03 What industries are interested in this? 37:49 What are they trying to do with it? 41:46 When do the neurons unalive? 45:48 Exotic uses vs general purpose 48:46 Wrapping up