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We discuss chronic antigenic stimulation and what that means and what it does to the T cells and by extension the immune system and by further extension to the rest of our health and wellbeing. Summary of Transcript: Discussion on T-Cell Exhaustion in Chronic Illnesses *Overview* The discussion centers on the concept of T-cell exhaustion, its role in chronic illnesses like ME/CFS, long COVID, and other infection-associated conditions. The speakers explore recent research, clinical observations, and the implications for treatment. *Key Points* #### *1. T-Cell Exhaustion: Definition and Mechanism* T-cell exhaustion is a state of immune dysfunction caused by chronic antigenic stimulation (e.g., persistent infections or antigen fragments). It leads to reduced effector functions, increased inhibitory markers (e.g., PD-1), and decreased cytokine production. Chronic infections (e.g., EBV, Lyme disease) or persistent viral fragments (e.g., spike protein in long COVID) can drive this process. #### *2. Clinical Observations* Patients with chronic illnesses often exhibit signs of immune dysfunction linked to T-cell exhaustion. Factors like stress, overtraining (e.g., in elite athletes), and systemic inflammation can also contribute to immune exhaustion. The progression is gradual, resembling a "multi-hit theory," where repeated immune challenges over time lead to eventual collapse. #### *3. Antigenic Stimulation* Persistent antigenic stimulation can come from: Chronic infections (*e.g., EBV, HHV6, Lyme disease*). Residual viral fragments (*e.g., spike protein in long COVID*). Gut-derived antigens due to leaky gut or SIBO (small intestinal bacterial overgrowth). #### *4. Connection to Other Conditions* Similar mechanisms are observed in HIV, where CD4 T-cell depletion occurs over years. Chronic antigenic stimulation may also explain post-treatment Lyme disease syndrome and other autoimmune-like conditions. --- *Management Strategies* #### *1. Addressing Antigenic Stimulation* Identify and treat sources of chronic infection (e.g., reactivated viruses, bacterial infections). Manage gut health to reduce translocation of antigens from the gastrointestinal tract. #### *2. Supporting Immune Function* Enhance regulatory T-cell function to modulate the immune response. Address mitochondrial dysfunction, which exacerbates immune exhaustion under hypoxic conditions. #### *3. Early Intervention* Early recognition and treatment of immune dysfunction may prevent progression to severe T-cell exhaustion. Extensive patient history-taking is critical for identifying early signs of immune dysregulation. --- *Conclusion* T-cell exhaustion plays a central role in the pathology of chronic illnesses like ME/CFS and long COVID. Persistent antigenic stimulation—whether from infections, viral fragments, or gut-derived antigens—drives this immune dysfunction. Addressing these underlying triggers and supporting immune recovery are essential for improving patient outcomes.