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You can find links to Doryn Wallach's full interview with Jody Day (founder of Gateway Women) by searching 'It's Not a Crisis podcast' wherever you get your podcasts. You can find a full transcript on the Gateway Women website at: https://gateway-women.com/podcasts In this clip, we talk about why challenging pronatalism in the workplace is the thing that I think is the most important thing that needs to happen next, about why childless/free people don't have to defend/compete with mothers for the busy badge, and many more of the tricky things that crop up and blow up between mothers and women without children. Doryn is a curious, reflective interviewer and a great listener, really honest about her blind spots and I am so proud to share this conversation with you. This is bridge-building in action and if there is a parent-friend, colleague (or HR Director!) in your life that you feel would take the time to listen to this, I hope it really helps. Because until we can start having these conversations without being reactive or defensive, pronatalism will continue to divide us. And it's time to call time on pronatalism and for women without and without children to support each other. www.gateway-women.com www.itsnotacrisispodcast.com