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How do pastors find mentors? What is the difference between mentoring and coaching? And why is accountability the missing piece in so many ministry failures? In Part 2 of our conversation on journaling and mentorship, we go deeper into what it means to pursue spiritual fathers and mothers, seek accountability, and “borrow gray hair” instead of learning everything the hard way. This episode is for pastors, church planters, ministry leaders, and young leaders who want to build something that lasts. If you don’t have a mentor in your life, this conversation may change that. ⸻ In This Episode: • Why mentors don’t pursue mentees — you pursue them • The difference between coaching and biblical discipleship • The danger of unaccountable leadership • Why older mentors provide perspective that peers cannot • How to approach someone about mentoring • What to do when someone says “no” • Why mentorship should cost you something • How to ask better questions (start with: “What are you reading?”) • The power of multiple counselors in decision making • Why the next season of ministry must raise up the next generation ⸻ ⏱️ Timestamps 00:00 – If you don’t have a mentor, start with an inventory 00:37 – Mentors don’t pursue mentees 01:13 – Coaching vs. mentoring (discipleship) 01:42 – Asking David Wilkerson to mentor 03:00 – Three years of mentorship through cassette tapes 04:25 – Seek value, not celebrity 04:48 – Mentorship should cost you something 05:09 – If you don’t do the work, the meeting ends 06:15 – Raising up the next generation 07:06 – From “Your Kingdom” to “My Kingdom” 07:33 – Why mentors over 60 matter 08:40 – Your prime may be at the end of your race 09:24 – A mentor walks through good and hard seasons 10:48 – Obedience: being silent for a year 12:13 – Mentors love, correct, and hold accountable 14:24 – A multitude of counselors brings safety 14:58 – The danger of unaccountable leaders 16:28 – Ask your mentors: “What are you reading?” 17:54 – Books shaping ministry (Sanders, Kessler, Tozer, Ravenhill) 18:59 – This may be your last lunch — make it count 19:48 – Ministry is shepherding, not celebrity 20:59 – Borrowing gray hair 21:42 – Bringing wisdom to the boardroom 22:03 – Learn from others’ scars, not just your own ⸻ If this episode helped you, share it with another pastor. 📩 Info@theycallmepastor.com 📱 @theycallmepastorpodcast