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I know John Pawson. I've interviewed him, launched exhibitions with him. I've even convinced him to let me sell his photography. So sitting down for another interview wasn't all that easy because I wanted to reveal the side of him that I know. His softer, funny side and his love for the creative collaborative process. But John is a pro, always composed and unwavering. He's a giant in the design world and he knows exactly what he's doing. What struck me during our conversation at his country house with his wonderful wife, Catherine, is that John might not actually be a minimalist. Bear with me. Minimalism as an artistic movement is all about simplicity, stripping away excess and focusing on essential elements. John's work embodies this with the monochrome tones and the absence of art on his walls. Yet in his house, every corner, detail, stone, and thread demands attention. It's a maximalist's dream in terms of engagement, though without the clutter. Maybe I don't fully grasp minimalism, but I left that interview thinking John's work deserves a whole new term. He challenges our relationship with material possessions and aesthetic beauty, embodying minimalist goals while creating spaces that captivate the mind. John isn't just a minimalist or he shouldn't be put into a box like that. He's something more. He makes us see more by showing less. And maybe that is the whole point of minimalism, but this interview was mind-opening, mind-bending. Watch Seeing John Pawson: https://www.seen.art/seeing/v/john-pa... Listen to Seeing John Pawson: https://open.spotify.com/episode/3swC... ✴️ Become a Seen member: https://seen.art ✴️ Follow us on Instagram: / watchseenart ✴️ Follow us on TikTok: / seen.art