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Join host Kirsten W. Larson for a deep-dive craft conversation with award-winning nonfiction author Deborah Heiligman—known for Vincent and Theo, Charles and Emma, Torpedoed, and her newest YA biography, Loudmouth: Emma Goldman vs. America, A Love Story. In this episode of Nonfiction Kidlit Craft Conversations, Deborah breaks down her entire narrative nonfiction process: • How she researches using primarily primary sources • How to build tension-packed scenes in nonfiction • Why young adult biography is about telling a story, not being a scholar • How she finds her mantra for each book • Why she starts her biographies in the middle • The surprising challenges of writing Loudmouth • What she hopes young readers take away from Emma Goldman’s story Whether you're writing children’s nonfiction, YA biography, narrative nonfiction, or simply love craft discussions with master writers, this episode is rich with insights you won’t want to miss. 📚 Books discussed: • Loudmouth: Emma Goldman vs America, A Love Story • Vincent and Theo • Charles and Emma • Torpedoed • She Persisted: Clara Lemlich Link to Deborah's website in the first comment 00:00 – Welcome to Nonfiction Kidlit Craft Conversations 00:39 – Introducing Loudmouth & Why Emma Goldman 02:04 – From Clara Lemlich to Emma Goldman 03:51 – Who Was Emma Goldman? 05:36 – Writing Biography: Hook, Theme & Mantra 08:55 – Finding the Book’s Shape & Mantra 11:45 – The Messy Process of Finding What a Book Is About 13:29 – Deborah’s Research Process: Primary Sources First 17:10 – When Secondary Sources Matter 19:11 – Avoiding Bias & Forming Your Own Interpretation 23:05 – When Research Turns Into Writing 25:56 – Choosing Where to Start a Nonfiction Story 27:57 – Building Mystery in Nonfiction Structure 30:51 – Crafting Scenes in Narrative Nonfiction 33:14 – When Research Contradicts Itself 37:01 – Balancing Emotion, Fact, & Tension 43:22 – Nonfiction Details: What You Can and Can’t Include 45:45 – YA vs. Adult Nonfiction: What’s the Difference? 49:34 – What She Hopes Readers Take Away 50:16 – The Amazing Scene That Didn’t Make the Book 52:30 – Where to Find Deborah Heiligman 53:40 – Closing Thoughts & How to Support the Podcast