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What separates leaders who thrive in complexity from those who struggle? According to Dr. Thomas Epperson, it comes down to one powerful trait: adaptability. In this episode of Leadership: The Secret Sauce, Dr. Thomas shares how his early life experiences—from supervising adults as a kid on a construction site to leading high-stakes training rooms in his twenties—shaped the leadership philosophy he uses today. Along the way, he also reveals a defining moment of self-awareness. For years, Tom believed he was a laid-back, easygoing leader. Then the feedback started arriving. Again and again. And he realized something surprising: he wasn’t a surfer riding the waves. He was a shark. That realization launched a decades-long journey of developing emotional intelligence, deep listening, and a more human approach to leadership. In this conversation with Dave Lipski and Matt Dodson, Tom pulls back the curtain on the real work of leadership coaching—from the glamorous myths to the messy reality. You’ll hear how great coaches adapt to the leaders in front of them, why senior leadership can be incredibly lonely, and how growth often starts with uncomfortable honesty. In this episode, you’ll learn: 1. Why adaptability is Tom’s leadership secret sauce 2. The surprising feedback that reshaped his leadership style 3. How coaches work with high-energy executives 4. Why self-awareness is the foundation of leadership growth 5. How leaders can rediscover purpose and avoid burnout If you're interested in leadership, executive coaching, or personal growth, this episode offers an honest look at what it takes to lead—and evolve—over time.