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In this episode, 37signals co-founders Jason Fried and David Heinemeier Hansson talk about why résumés, job titles, and career timelines take a back seat to what really matters when hiring — your actual work. They share how real-world examples cut through the noise, and open doors for people who may not have a traditional path. Key Takeaways 00:00 – Episode highlights 00:10 – Why final hiring decisions come down to a candidate’s actual work 03:50 – The 37Better redesign project 07:27 – How real project work reduces the guesswork of hiring 14:29 – Why creating work outside your portfolio shows your range and creativity 20:02 – Hiring when it hurts Links and Resources “Years of Evidence” from Jason Fried’s HEY World – https://world.hey.com/jason/years-of-... The 37Better Project (archived) – https://web.archive.org/web/200502091... Record or upload a video question for Jason and David — https://www.37signals.com/podcastques... Get a free Basecamp account at https://www.basecamp.com Books by 37signals – https://37signals.com/books 30-day free trial of HEY – https://www.hey.com/ Once. com – https://once.com/ Campfire – https://once.com/campfire HEY – https://www.hey.com/ The REWORK podcast – https://37signals.com/podcast/ Get some REWORK podcast merch – https://37signals.com/podcast/shop Let's be social! Twitter/X: https://x.com/37signals Instagram: / 37signalshq Rework is a production of 37signals. You can find show notes and transcripts on our website https://www.37signals.com/ Leave us a video question at www.37signals.com/podcastquestion or send an email to rework@37signals.com, and we might answer it on a future episode.