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Nathan Artt, founder & principal of Ministry Solutions Group, challenges everything churches assume about attendance, digital ministry, and physical space. In this episode, Nathan shares why engagement—not attendance—is the new predictive metric for church growth and how digital platforms are shaping the future of the local church. Host Tyler Vance sits down with Nathan Artt to explore how churches can reimagine both digital strategy and physical spaces to meet people where they are. From Nathan’s own faith journey through digital ministry to real-world examples from retail, this conversation reframes how innovation, discipleship, and community intersect in Church 3.0. What You’ll Learn 🔍 Nathan Artt digital ministry insights on why engagement is a leading indicator for church growth 🏛️ Ministry Solutions Group strategy for reimagining church buildings as community assets 📊 Church attendance vs engagement metrics and why attendance is now a lag indicator 💻 Hybrid church and online church models that actually drive in-person participation 🙏 Prayer, safety, and digital discipleship as catalysts for trust and transformation 🧠 Content for conversation vs consumption in modern church communication 🌍 The Gutenberg moment for the church and why digital is the greatest gospel amplifier since print Chapters 00:00 – Nathan Artt on reimagining church spaces and digital ministry 02:25 – Nathan Artt’s digital faith journey before church attendance 06:04 – Church attendance vs engagement as predictive metrics 08:07 – Does digital ministry cannibalize in-person church? 10:15 – Retail lessons from Target, Home Depot, and church growth 11:58 – COVID acceleration and forced innovation in churches 14:20 – Digital prayer, safety, and deeper community connection 16:40 – Online engagement turning anonymous viewers into disciples 19:15 – Why online church isn’t a replacement for physical church 21:16 – Content strategy: consumption vs conversation 25:04 – Helping people find what they need, not just sermons 30:27 – Digital ministry as the Gutenberg moment for the church 30:57 – Ministry Solutions Group and rethinking church buildings 33:32 – Equipping saints through digital and physical spaces 36:29 – Reaching billions with the gospel through digital platforms 🔗 Learn more about Apollos: https://apollos.com/church-growth 🔗 Connect with Nathan Artt: / nathanartt Subscribe for more church leadership insights, digital ministry strategies, and faith + technology conversations. #NathanArtt #MinistrySolutionsGroup #DigitalMinistry #ChurchInnovation #FaithAndTechnology #ChurchLeadership #HybridChurch #ApollosPodcast #Church3Point0