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In Episode 34 of the Killer Growth Podcast, Samuel sits down with Dan Kreis, founder of Circle Consulting, for a deep conversation about business ownership, systems thinking, and the difference between owning a job and owning a company. Dan shares his unconventional journey—from dropping out of college and becoming an aircraft mechanic to building and eventually selling a ServiceMaster franchise with 30 employees. Along the way he discovered a simple but powerful truth: most entrepreneurs don’t build businesses… they build jobs with demanding bosses—and that boss is themselves. The conversation explores: Why most business owners accidentally trap themselves in operations The difference between consulting and coaching How asking the right questions can uncover deeper business problems Why systems and processes are the only way to buy back your time The “owner outside the box” concept for structuring a real company Why time is the real product every business sells Dan also explains how his coaching model helps entrepreneurs step out of the day-to-day grind and start building businesses that can operate without them. Through his groups and one-on-one coaching, he focuses on helping owners move from reactionary problem solving to intentional business design. This episode is a thoughtful dive into leadership, identity, and the hard questions every entrepreneur eventually has to face. See more at https://killergrowth.com