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Are you an executive struggling with the isolation of high-level leadership? Have you faced a personal crisis that forced you to re-evaluate your entire career path? In this powerful, authentic episode of No Boxes: Just Verses, we talk to the two Lisas—Lisa DeCarlo and Lisa Shalet—co-founders of Extraordinary Women on Boards (EWOB). They share their deeply personal stories of resilience and strategic career entry. Go beyond the bios with two women who rewrote the rules of finance and governance. Lisa DeCarlo shares her unconventional start as a temp on a trading floor, which led to six job offers by teaching her the entire capital markets business. Lisa Shalet reveals the pivotal moment—her father's sudden death—that forced her to retire from her partner role at Goldman Sachs to prioritize time. They detail how these vulnerable moments led them to create EWOB, a crucial peer community where women can "take the armor off" and share the emerging best practices of board service. Key Takeaways / Main Points *The Unconventional Career Entry: Lisa DeCarlo explains how she accidentally landed a temp job and used a two-year commitment to learn every business unit (sales, trading, investment banking)—a non-traditional path that led to multiple job offers. *Vulnerability is the New Executive Armor: Lisa DeCarlo’s severe health crisis forced her to realize the power of openness, proving that vulnerability opens doors to bigger leadership roles. *Time is the Ultimate Priority: Lisa Shalet shares why her father's sudden death caused her to retire from Goldman Sachs six months later. She suddenly saw a clock ticking backwards and realized her purpose was to be home for dinner. *The Power of the Trusted Space: EWOB was built from the necessity of a community where women could "take the armor off" and share emerging best practices without judgment. *Organizational Intelligence (OQ) is Key: Lisa Shalet stresses that beyond IQ and EQ, executives must develop OQ—understanding how things work informally within an organization—to navigate the unwritten rules of the game. The Lisas’ journey is proof that your most vulnerable moments can provide the deepest clarity on your life's purpose and unlock your Unstoppable potential. Hit the Like button and Subscribe to No Boxes: Just Verses to guide your next strategic move! Relevant Links Lisa Shalett / lisashalett Lisa DeCarlo / lisa-decarlo-97113b8 EWOB: http://ewobnetwork.com The Decade Game: https://www.mydecadegame.com/ Playlist: https://open.spotify.com/playlist/4F9... CONNECT WITH SHANNON: Facebook: / 61579213285399 Instagram: / noboxesjustverses LinkedIn Shannon: / shannonknash LinkedIn NBJV: / no-boxes-just-verses Theme Song: Pedal to the Medal by Martin Luther https://open.spotify.com/track/19bOxO... https://music.apple.com/us/album/peda... Relevant Hashtags #LisaAndLisa #GoldmanSachs #BoardLeadership #WomenOnBoards #StrategicRetirement #Vulnerability #PeerCommunity #OQ Chapter Markers / Timestamps 00:00 Introduction: The Lisa & Lisa Partnership 05:45 Here I Go Again: The Moving Life & Unconditional Independence (Lisa D) 07:50 A Whole New World: The Unexpected Move to Japan (Lisa S) 16:00 Standing Outside the Fire: The Line Dancing Lesson (Lisa D) 21:50 Unwritten: From Temp Job to Six Job Offers (Lisa D) 25:50 Confident: From Japanese Game Shows to Goldman Partner (Lisa S) 32:50 The Sun’s Gonna Shine: The Health Scare and Finding Vulnerability (Lisa D) 37:20 Seasons of Love: Retiring from Goldman to Prioritize Time (Lisa S) 43:50 Unstoppable / Girl on Fire: Founding Extraordinary Women on Boards (EWOB)