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In this episode of Forces of Change, Dr. Mikah Sellers and Annie Graziani sit down with Jesse Kirkpatrick, Co-Director of the Mason Autonomy and Robotics Center (MARC) at George Mason University. Jesse operates at the high-stakes intersection of philosophy, military ethics, and emerging technologies. The conversation dives into a turbulent few weeks in the AI world: the very public standoff between Anthropic and the Department of War. We explore why Anthropic’s refusal to abandon its red lines, prohibiting its models from powering fully autonomous weapons systems or conducting mass domestic surveillance of U.S. citizens, led to it being designated a “supply chain risk,” while OpenAI took a different path and inked a deal with the Pentagon. What you’ll hear in this episode: The “Any Lawful Purpose” Mandate: How a January 2026 Hegseth memo demanding unrestricted AI access for military use set the standoff in motion, and what it signals about the government’s expectations of AI contractors. The Anthropic Ultimatum: A deep dive into the legal and ethical fallout of the Department of War’s “any lawful purpose” procurement requirement, the supply chain risk designation, and Anthropic’s decision to sue. Responsible AI Lifecycle: How to align autonomy and robotics with societal values from design to deployment. The Global Arms Race: Analyzing the push for American AI dominance and the role of the Special Competitive Studies Project (SCSP) in shaping national security policy. Jesse Kirkpatrick brings a unique perspective on how we can make AI “good” before we try to make it “better,” especially when the stakes are as high as national defense and human life. --------------------------------- Meet the team: https://www.forcesofchange.fm/ Continue the conversation! LinkedIn: / forces-of-change-podcast Instagram: / forcesofchangepodcast