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Celebrated poet and professor Hettie Jones is joined by host and fellow poet and founder of the Bowery Poetry Club Bob Holman, for a conversation on her long career as a New York poet in New Social Environment #25. In response to the imminent crisis of the COVID-19 pandemic, the Rail shifted our operations online. These Daily Social Environments provide a place to have vibrant conversations and social intimacy in a time of great physical distancing. Jones pioneered the Beat and NYC poetry movement of the late ’40s and ’50s and Jones speaks of women poets who were only just beginning to develop their voice. We dig into her incredible oral histories of teaching writing to women in the Bedford Hills Correctional facility, and the joy at meeting in the home she has lived in for over 58 years, after their release. Her pioneering efforts there have led to the creation of other programs intended to enrich the lives of those imprisoned, like those of the Bard Prison Program. Jones reads us “Freddy in Memorium” from her collection Welcome to Our Crowd (1999), “April” from All Told (2003), “Five on the Left Hand Side” from her second collection of poetry Drive (1998)