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Why is the culture so obsessed with men on the down low? To some, they're a secret, sexy symbol. To others, they're carriers of diseases and lies. What is the truth about men who live their sexual lives 'on the DL', and what does our culture's recurring fascination with them say about how society treats men whose sexualities don't fit into neat boxes? Brittany is joined by Dr. Jeffrey McCune (https://www.npr.org/podcasts/52766797...) , author of Sexual Discretion: Black Masculinity and the Politics of Passing, and Kai Wright (https://www.npr.org/podcasts/52766797...) - a journalist and host for the Guardian who has been writing about sexual politics for the last 30 years. Support Public Media. Join NPR Plus. (https://plus.npr.org/) Follow Brittany on Instagram: @bmluse (https://www.instagram.com/bmluse/?hl=en) For handpicked podcast recommendations every week, subscribe to NPR’s Pod Club newsletter at npr.org/podclub (https://www.npr.org/podclub) . To manage podcast ad preferences, review the links below: See pcm.adswizz.com (https://pcm.adswizz.com) for information about our collection and use of personal data for sponsorship and to manage your podcast sponsorship preferences. Learn more about sponsor message choices: podcastchoices.com/adchoices (https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices) NPR Privacy Policy (https://www.npr.org/about-npr/1798784...)