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Tempo announcing it would not become an Ethereum layer 2 sparked a fierce discussion on X. Justin Bons and Haonan Li zoom back and debate it all. 🔥 EPISODE LINK 🔥 CHECK OUT THE EPISODE LINKS AND DETAILS HERE 👉 https://unchainedcrypto.com/podcast/d... 👈 In this episode, Cyber Capital’s Justin Bons and Codex’s Haonan Li challenge the new orthodoxy: whether payments chains should be alt L1s or Ethereum L2s, how “neutrality” and finality matter for real-world transactions, and why fragmentation could make or break onchain dollars. We dig into Stripe’s Tempo (and its permissioned start), what it would take for L2s to reach true decentralization, and whether stablechains undercut general-purpose chains. Plus: the trade-offs of sequencers, paying gas in dollars, and whether protocol-native stables are the future. Thank you to our sponsors! ➡️ Binance https://www.binance.com/en/download ➡️ Token2049 – Get 15% off with code UNCHAINED https://www.asia.token2049.com/ Guests: ⭐️Justin Bons, Founder and CIO of Cyber Capital ⭐️Haonan Li, Co-founder and CEO of Codex Timestamps: 🎬 0:00 Intro 💭 1:45 Laying out the first arguments 🛠️ 12:57 What needs to happen for L2s to finally become stage 2 rollups 💵 15:40 Why Haonan chose to launch a stablecoin-focused L2 on Ethereum 🏦 30:17 Does Stripe’s Tempo L1 spell trouble for Ethereum L2s? ⚖️ 38:55 Whether Tempo can position itself as a neutral blockchain 🔗 50:02 Are L2s capable of true decentralization? ⏱️ 53:58 How important finality is for stablecoin businesses 🧩 57:08 Why fragmentation could make or break stablecoins 🔮 1:02:31 What the future of rollups should look like ⚔️ 1:05:58 The case for and against general-purpose chains 📉 1:13:12 Whether protocol-native stablecoins will keep gaining traction _______________________________________________________ #bitcoin #ethereum #crypto #cryptocurrencies ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Subscribe to our channel! CHECK OUT THE CRYPTOPIANS → • TRAILER: The Cryptopians: Idealism, Greed,... WEBSITE → https://unchainedcrypto.com UNCHAINED DAILY NEWSLETTER → https://unchainedcrypto.beehiiv.com/s... LAURA'S TWITTER → https://x.com/laurashin UNCHAINED TWITTER → https://x.com/unchained_pod FACEBOOK → / unchainedwithlaurashin INSTAGRAM → https://www.instagram.com/laurashin/?... LINKEDIN → / laurashin MERCHANDISE → https://unchainedpodcast.company.site/ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ NEW EPISODES OF UNCHAINED EVERY TUESDAY AND FRIDAY! ALONG WITH BITS & BIPS AND THE CHOPPING BLOCK Apple → https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast... Spotify → https://open.spotify.com/show/1cJrrfG... RSS Feed → https://feeds.megaphone.fm/LSHML47619... YOUR NO-HYPE RESOURCE FOR ALL THINGS CRYPTO!