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In this episode, Jason sits down with long-time pastor, professor, and marketplace theologian R. Paul Stevens to explore the sacredness of daily work. Paul’s ministry journey spans decades, from student ministry in Halifax to pastoring in Vancouver, teaching at Regent College, and even a mid-career stint as a carpenter. Paul unpacks the heartbeat behind his conviction that every follower of Jesus is in full-time ministry and that whatever your vocation, be it a pastor, a police officer, or a mother, your work matters to God. In this conversation Paul shares about: How Ephesians 4 set helped him come to realize that all Christians are in “full-time ministry,” The danger of dualism among our congregations and the importance of reclaiming whole-life, integrated discipleship, How pastors can empower their congregations for Monday-to-Saturday faithfulness, A story of meeting a young seeker on public transit and the unfolding of their year-long discipleship journey. Paul is thoughtful and intentional, bringing over 50 years of ministry experience and theological rigor to the conversation. In this episode Paul will remind you that pastoral leadership isn’t confined to a platform or pulpit, and you’ll be inspired by stories of a seasoned pastor living out the Gospel in his ordinary, everyday moments. ⏰ Timestamps: 00:00 – The Disconnect Between Faith and Work 00:50 – Paul's Journey to Vancouver and Early Ministry 03:30 – A Life Verse and Vision from Ephesians 4 05:00 – Church Leadership as Teamwork 08:00 – God's Faithfulness Across Generations 09:00 – A Midlife Pivot: From Pastor to Carpenter 10:20 – Marketplace Theology and the Meaning of Work 14:00 – Practical Ideas for Equipping the Church 17:00 – Confronting the Sacred-Secular Divide 21:50 – Redefining Church and Ministry 25:30 – Discipling Through the Lens of Work 28:45 – A Bus Ride and a Discipleship Story 33:55 – Final Reflections and Blessing 🇨🇦 Connect with The Pastorate: 🌎 Website: https://www.thepastorate.ca 📸 Instagram: / thepastorate.ca 🎙️ Podcast: https://www.thepastorate.ca/podcast 👍 Like & Subscribe Share some digital love for more conversations that strengthen pastors for the renewal of the church in Canada.