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Ramesh: "Did you listen to his talk? Lisa: Well I didn't really listen to his talk, really. I didn't understand his point, so I just stopped listening. Ramesh: Well, for instance, Ramana Maharshi writes, "Everything is predetermined. Everything in life is predetermined." Lisa: I think that, definitely, that everything is predetermined, but I was thinking that everything is happening spontaneously in this moment. But surely, the painter of this story must have to paint a cause and effect, so self-liberation must come from a cause-and-effect story of someone becoming liberated. So, basically, meditating and all of that has to precede it. Ramesh: Ramana Maharshi has confessed that for him nothing made liberation happen. He never did any meditation. He never did anything! And then it happened. Lisa: But in the rules of cause and effect, surely there must be the story there. Ramesh: In this story, Ramana Maharshi had no sense that anything would happen. Everything is predetermined, but if you raise his arm you will not have anything. Ramana Maharshi said that everything is already happening. Original Clip:    • Lisa the seeker   Hi and welcome to the Lisa Cairns - Clips Channel This Channel has Clips (edited videos) from Lisa Cairns talks on Youtube. N.B. This is NOT Lisa Cairns channel on Youtube. Channel is made with permission from Lisa Cairns, however, it is made completely independently from her. She has no involvement in the content, posting or payment from the channel. You may find the original video on Lisa Cairns Youtube Channel. See link below Lisa Cairns Live Stream: https://www.lisacairns.com/livestream    / truehappiness12   Please make sure you read the disclaimer on Lisa's website. https://docs.wixstatic.com/ugd/691007... Lisas Website: https://www.lisacairns.com/ https://www.lisacairns.com/events   / nonduality12   Lisas book For the Love of Everything: https://www.lisacairns.com/store Lisa Cairns Live Stream: https://www.lisacairns.com/livestream Lisa's youtube channel:    / @lisacairns   For the past years, Lisa has been travelling the world, giving talks and retreats in over 20 countries on the subject of non dual Philosophy. (Nonduality) Lisa talks about waking up ,spiritual awakening, awareness, consciousness and an Indian Philosophy called Non duality. The cannel is about #nonduality #oneness #consciousness #awakening #awareness #wakingup #love