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China's Place in the New Post-American International Order

Canadian Prime Minister Mark Carney's speech at the World Economic Forum in Davos this week will likely be remembered as one of the most significant orations of the early 21st century. Carney channeled the fear and frustration of many global leaders when he defiantly declared that the U.S.-led international order is over. The "rupture" that Carney referenced in his address has profound consequences for China as it moves to reshape a part of this new international order to better align with its interests. Zongyuan Zoe Liu, a senior fellow at the Council on Foreign Relations and a senior research scholar at Columbia University, joins Eric & Cobus to discuss why this is such a pivotal time for China as it moves to become a peer power of the United States, at least economically, without triggering the so-called "Thuycides Trap" that dictates this kind of rivalry often leads to war. Show Notes: Foreign Affairs: China’s Long Economic War — How Beijing Builds Leverage for Indefinite Competition by Zongyuan Zoe Liu Chapters 00:00 Introduction 00:30 The collapse of the rules-based international order 01:52 Mark Carney's speech at the World Economic Forum in Davos 07:25 Introducing the Guest - Zongyuan Zoe Liu 08:13 Zoe's Reaction to Carney's Speech 12:47 China's Reaction to the Speech 13:55 Where China Fits in the New Global Order 18:55 How China's Rise Changed the Global System 22:52 China and Emerging Markets 29:31 Consumption Power in China and the Global South’s Trust Gap 38:57 "Thuycides Trap", Credibility and the Debt Trap 47:26 China as a Global Power and a Developing Country 55:56 End of the Interview 56:42 China's Credibility Gap Issues 01:00:57 Independent Media's Pushback - China & the U.S. Cases 01:02:29 China's State Centric Nature 01:04:17 U.S. Softpower Declining 01:08:34 Conclusion Join the Discussion: X: @ChinaGSProject | @eric_olander | @stadenesque Facebook: www.facebook.com/ChinaAfricaProject YouTube:    / @chinaglobalsouth   Now on Bluesky! Follow CGSP at @chinagsproject.bsky.social Follow CGSP in French and Spanish: French: www.projetafriquechine.com | @AfrikChine Spanish: www.chinalasamericas.com | @ChinaAmericas Join us on Patreon! Become a CGSP Patreon member and get all sorts of cool stuff, including our Week in Review report, an invitation to join monthly Zoom calls with Eric & Cobus, and even an awesome new CGSP Podcast mug! www.patreon.com/chinaglobalsouth