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Carl Benjamin is a British social commentator and a former member of the Eurosceptic UK Independence Party (UKIP). He is also the founder of the Lotus Eaters media company. Zuby and Carl discuss the UK’s ongoing decline. They begin by examining conservatism and its meaning in 2024, immigration concerns, and the opposing rationale between the left and the right. Additionally, Carl reflects on negative versus positive liberalism and concerns about liberal excess. The two also discuss what the UK would look like under Carl's leadership. Follow Zuby: https://x.com/ZubyMusic / zubymusic / zubymusic Follow Carl Benjamin: https://x.com/Sargon_of_Akkad https://lotuseaters.com _ Subscribe to the 'Real Talk With Zuby' podcast on Apple Podcasts, Spotify & more: https://fanlink.tv/zubypodcast Support Zuby on Locals: https://teamzuby.locals.com Support Zuby on Patreon: / zubymusic Online Store: https://teamzuby.com Get Zuby's fitness book 'Strong Advice: Zuby's Guide to Fitness For Everybody': https://zubymusic.gumroad.com/l/zubyf... Get Zuby's children's book 'The Candy Calamity': http://candycalamity.com