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This week on Decouple, I sit down with Dan Wang, a research fellow at Stanford’s Hoover History Lab and author of "Breakneck: China’s Quest to Engineer the Future." We trace how China became an “engineering state” while America turned into a “lawyerly society,” and what that means for infrastructure, energy, industry, birthrates, social security, and human lives. From Guizhou’s skyways to Jane Jacobs’ shadow over North American cities, Wang shows the upside of abundant state capacity and the dark side of excessive control. Buy Breakneck: https://danwang.co/breakneck/ Listen to Decouple on: • Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/6PNr3ml... • Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast... • Overcast: https://overcast.fm/itunes1516526694/... • Pocket Casts: https://pca.st/ehbfrn44 • RSS: https://anchor.fm/s/23775178/podcast/rss Website: https://www.decouple.media Chapters: 00:00 Introduction 1:57 Engineering State vs. Lawyerly Society; building the physical, the economy, and the “human soul.” 5:15 How the archetypes formed: Mao’s poet’s rule, Deng’s engineers; America’s pivot post-1960s (Carson, Jacobs, Nader). 14:10 On-the-ground China: HSR, bridges, airports—even in poor provinces. 20:50 Thin welfare state, regressive taxes; socialist words, conservative instincts. 24:26 Who allocates capital in China, and how discretion works. 26:00 One-child policy: targets, “persuasion groups,” sterilisations, missing girls. 37:00 Western ideas met an open door; fertility was already falling. 43:40 Elite precarity: salary caps, halted IPOs; contrast with American impunity. 49:10 Overproduction as strategy; strengths and gaps of the engineering state.