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In this conversation, Crystal and David Alink discuss the journey of leaving the Two by Twos, a Christian sect, and the healing process that follows. They explore the importance of maintaining faith in Christ after leaving, the challenges faced by those still within the community, and the need for love and understanding to bridge the gap between both sides. David shares his experiences of traveling and interviewing others who have left the Two by Twos, emphasizing the importance of authenticity and connection in their stories. The conversation highlights the complexities of faith, community, and personal growth in the aftermath of leaving a high-control religious environment. In this conversation, Crystal and David Alink explore the complexities of faith, mental health, and the importance of community for those who have left restrictive religious environments. They discuss the potential for gatherings, the struggles with depression and anxiety post-departure, and the healing power of sharing personal stories. David emphasizes the significance of counseling and faith in overcoming mental health challenges, while also addressing the judgment faced by those who leave such communities. The conversation highlights the importance of prayer, the motivation behind their work, and the hope found in testimonies of transformation. In this conversation, Crystal and David explore the profound impact of connection, storytelling, and community support in their lives and the lives of others. They share personal experiences of divine guidance, the importance of being open to life's flow, and the transformative power of helping others. The discussion highlights the significance of building a supportive community and the joy that comes from shared experiences and personal growth. keywords Two by Twos, faith journey, healing, community, organized religion, interviews, personal growth, love, authenticity, recovery mental health, faith, storytelling, community, healing, depression, spiritual warfare, prayer, motivation, ministry connection, storytelling, community, support, personal growth, God, guidance, transformation, faith, healing sound bites "Healing takes time." "We love the people. We hate the system." "God is working in individuals' lives." "It's not about the numbers, it's about souls." "It's very therapeutic to talk to somebody." "These are our people, I mean it's who we are." "The process of leaving is a tremendous stress." "Supernatural healing does happen." "The devil hates truth." "There's light on the other side of the tunnel." "Life is good and God is good." "We don't have to do anything to work for it." "I'm just a nobody that wants to tell everybody." "It's been an honor. It's been so fun." "You are what people are craving." "I had to do what I was being asked to do." "It gave me such a heart for them." "It's a really cool experience." "Thanks for having me on." Chapters 00:00 Introduction and Background 02:31 Leaving the Two by Twos: A Journey of Faith 05:41 Healing and Simplicity After Leaving 08:45 Understanding Those Still Inside 11:30 Bridging the Gap: Love and Community 14:37 God's Presence in Organized Religion 16:30 The Evolution of David's Mission 20:04 Traveling and Interviewing: A New Lifestyle 24:48 The Role of Women in Recovery 27:35 Responsibility in Leadership and Guidance 30:50 Surprises and Authenticity in Interviews 35:18 The Idea of a Gathering 37:05 Struggles with Mental Health Post-Departure 39:55 The Role of Counseling and Faith 41:08 The Power of Sharing Stories 43:50 Navigating Judgment and Perception 46:49 The Impact of Spiritual Warfare 49:57 The Evolution of Prayer Practices 51:39 Motivation Behind the Work 54:26 Defining the Work: Resource or Ministry? 56:57 The Pain of Seeing Others in Bondage 58:22 Finding Hope in Testimonies 01:00:11 Looking Ahead: Future of the Movement 01:04:10 Key Takeaways from the Conversation 01:14:10 The Power of Connection and Storytelling 01:18:06 Experiencing God's Guidance in Life 01:22:48 The Importance of Community and Support 01:30:39 Transformative Experiences and Personal Growth