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Jim Putman, a seasoned pastor and communicator, talks about the understanding and practice of discipleship. Putman expresses his concern regarding the current state of discipleship in modern churches. He suggests that discipleship has moved towards a more informational than relational way, and strayed towards a more programmed direction than a purpose-driven practice, focusing on gathering churchgoers rather than deploying devoted disciples. Putman suggests five significant shifts to move discipleship from a surface-level, programmed entity to a more profound, Jesus-oriented discipline. These shifts include a transition from reaching to making disciples, from informing to equipping disciples, from a program-led mission to a purposeful journey, from simple activities to building relationships, and from accumulating to deploying disciples. He emphasizes that these shifts are crucial for the advancement and effectiveness of the disciple-making mission of the church. Discussing pastoral/ministerial posts, Putman argues that most people in these roles often isolate themselves, turning their ministry into a lonely and exhaustive journey. He advocates for an approach where church leaders actively engage in relationships, and not allow the insecurities and demands of their position to push them into self-imposed isolation. Speaking about church governance, Putman insists that allowing a majority rule can have the immature members dictate the tone of the church, which can have harmful effects. In contrast to this, he suggests a well-balanced church, actively encouraging and engaging each type of gift present among the members, leading to healthy growth and spiritual maturity. An important part of the episode revolves around developing relationships. Putman advises those in ministry to prioritize their relationship with Christ and work on their personal discipleship journey before leading others on theirs. He challenges ministry leaders to dare to be vulnerable, share their struggles, and open their lives to others, fostering mutual support and encouragement in the faith. This episode provides a completely fresh perspective on discipleship, calling on church leaders to reconsider their approach towards making disciples. The focus should be more on organic, relational spiritual growth, and less on programs or stringent methodologies. The ultimate goal, as implied by Putman, should be to leave an imprint of the life and teachings of Jesus on believers, getting them to transition from mere observers to proactive followers. The call is clear - venture into uncomfortable territories, seek growth and transformation and remember, discipleship is rooted more in personal relationships than in organized programs or strategies. Key Takeaways 00:00 Meet Jim Putman 00:40 Discussing the Book 'Disciple Shift' 01:04 Understanding the Five Shifts 02:37 The Importance of Relationship in Discipleship 03:20 The Challenges of Staying on Course 04:51 The Role of Relationship in Leadership 08:49 The Disconnect in Church Methodology 11:08 The Struggles of Pastors and the Need for Relationship 14:14 The Importance of Discipleship in the Church 18:45 The Role of Relationship in Discipleship 27:51 The Pace of Discipleship 28:41 Understanding Different Learning Styles and Pace in Discipleship 29:38 The Role of the Holy Spirit in Discipleship 31:20 The Challenges of Being an Introverted Pastor 32:21 The Shift from Accumulating to Deploying in Ministry 35:15 The Importance of Teamwork in Church Leadership 36:13 The Importance of Balance in Church Leadership 37:39 The Dangers of One-Dimensional Churches 39:56 The Importance of Submission in Discipleship 48:28 Conclusion: The Importance of Being a Disciple Before Making Disciples 49:24 The Importance of Honesty and Vulnerability in Discipleship Check out our NEW Disciple Shift Ebook https://discipleship.org/shop/discipl... Check out the entire book Disciple Shift https://discipleship.org/shop/discipl... Join Jim Putman at our national Forum this May on Disciple Making Culture: https://discipleship.org/national-dis...