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Ben Avery and John Knauf riff on the world of ufology, conspiracy culture, and cosmic folklore through personal stories, cultural observations, and speculative humor. The segment explores why alien narratives attract grifters, how belief-based communities are easily monetized, and why there is no financial incentive in real “disclosure.” They discuss how figures like Bob Lazar and Steven Greer built entire ecosystems around mystery, while communities of abductees, conference speakers, and content creators are often shaped more by spectacle than evidence. John shares his firsthand experiences growing up family friends with Tracy Tormé (Fire in the Sky), driving him to appointments, living with him, and attending UFO conferences like the Skyfire Summit in Arizona. He recounts meeting Travis Walton, first responders tied to the case, and interacting with figures connected to Star Trek culture, including Leonard Nimoy, Harlan Ellison, and writers fascinated by alien mythology. The conversation also touches on Skinwalker Ranch, cryptozoology, Gnostics, Egyptian symbolism, wartime UFO sightings, and the strange personalities that orbit this subculture. Everything is presented as personal experience, satire, and speculative storytelling — not factual claims. The segment treats ufology as modern folklore, blending humor, curiosity, and cultural critique. Source: This clip is taken from Ben Avery Presents: The Show — December 30 2024 livestream. PEOPLE & TOPICS Ben Avery • John Knauf • Tracy Tormé • Travis Walton • Bob Lazar • Steven Greer • Leonard Nimoy • Harlan Ellison ufology • conspiracy culture • speculative comedy • media grifters • sci-fi culture • internet folklore DISCLAIMER Comedy • Parody • Satire • Commentary. Transformative fan edit discussing public figures, personal stories, and publicly available media. Nothing is presented as factual claims. TAGS #BenAvery #JohnKnauf #UFOS #UFOCulture #AlienLore #ComedyCommentary