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When one of the authors of your favorite book on Christian Classical education agrees to come on the podcast, it just might be the most exciting moment of the year! Ravi Jain joins us this week to discuss a distinctively Christian classical perspective on natural philosophy and how it relates to the liberal arts. It’s filled with challenging ideas and practical application. If you are at all classically-curious, this is a homeschool conversation you won’t want to miss! Show notes/Transcript: https://www.humilityanddoxology.com/r... Books for homeschool moms: https://www.amazon.com/shop/humilitya... FREE Year of Memory Work: https://www.humilityanddoxology.com/y... Follow Humility and Doxology Online: Blog https://www.humilityanddoxology.com/ Facebook / humilityanddoxolog Instagram / humilityanddoxology YouTube / humilityanddoxology Here's an excerpt from my Homeschool Conversation with Ravi Jain: "First of all, 400 years ago, somebody like Isaac Newton, if he was writing, he would’ve just thought of himself as a natural philosopher. Kepler, Galileo, all of those people who we would now call scientists would’ve just thought of themselves as natural philosophers. The word ‘scientist’ didn’t appear until mid-1800s. From about 300 BC or so up until 1800, the word for what we think of today as scientists was natural philosopher. I think of natural philosophy, first of all, as a very big tent to include a lot of conversations and it’s the real home for what we think of today as contemporary natural science. There are some distinctions. One is that natural philosophy, you can hear from the etymology, philosophy is the love of wisdom. Right from the start, there’s a sense that, again, it’s for the cultivation of wisdom. Wonder leads to wisdom, as Aristotle said. It’s a different beginning point and a different telos right from the very word ‘natural philosophy.’ If you think of natural philosophy as an overarching discourse that includes our assumptions about the natural world, that includes traditions of inquiry, language, the practices of different kinds of research groups, all these different things that some people might be pushing in one paradigm. Another might be pushing another theoretical paradigm. Natural philosophy is a big tent to discuss all these things. Chemistry, physics, biology, the things like taxonomy, all these ecology, all of that stuff would fit into natural philosophy. Now, sometimes I’ll say that natural philosophy hosts a dialectic between natural history and natural science. Natural history is the observations of the natural world. That’s just a simple way to think about natural history. In the 17th century, the thinkers then would keep a register. The register is what they call the register of facts. They were looking some cause and so they wanted to keep a register of all their observations, like what we would think about as a lab notebook, but it’s more just like almost a sketchbook or something like that or a record of all the things that they’ve observed. That was natural history for them. Then natural science was looking for the cause of those effects. Natural science is a demonstrable knowledge of causes. Natural philosophy is the love of wisdom. Natural history is the observation of effects, and naming things, classifying things. Natural science is a demonstrable knowledge of causes in the natural world. The typical way of thinking about this was we see all these results, all these effects, but what caused all these different results or these effects? We can’t necessarily see the cause from the effects, but if we can reason backwards to it and then demonstrate or prove or justify why we believe that this effect is a result of that cause, that’s science. That’s the whole demonstrable idea. Science is a demonstrable knowledge of causes. It can be demonstrated, proved, justified, something like that. Natural history is really an appeal to observation. Hey, look, can you see that bird over there and how it’s colored? Classification, this bird is different than that bird. They’re different species, something like that. Natural science is a question of why do you think this bird is here? Do you think this bird is migrated from North America and it’s in some pattern right now where it’s, I’m going to fly back there to North America after the winter’s over? Looking for the causes of the effects that we see is natural science. That’s the way these words have been used roughly for a thousand years or more. I think it’s helpful to realize that starting around 1850, all of these words got lumped in together and called science, and that had some negative effects that are still with us today." #classicaleducation #liberalarts #homeschooling #homeschoolcurriculum #trivium #quadrivium